The guy who posted this tweet supports american imperialism and israel btw
There is no horseshoe.
It’s much better depicted as a 2D plane, a la Political Compass.
Tankies and Fascists have similarities because they’re both hyper-authoritarian, not because being more fascist somehow brings you closer to tankies than your previous close political associations.
I’m so confused by the way he ends so many messages with, “Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
Is his brain so thoroughly fried that he can only regurgitate bits of corpo-speak regardless of whether they are applicable?
My headcanon is that someone sent him a letter with that closing 45 years ago and he thought, “That’s a classy way to close a letter,” so now he always uses it when he wants to feel official.
I also tend to read it as conveying the sentiment, “Please pay attention to me because I fear I will die if you stop paying attention to me.”
One thing we know Trump is legitimately good at is manipulating rubes.
“Thank you for your attention to this matter" is actually quite subtle; it’s got “you” and “your attention” in the same sentence, making it feel like he could be talking to you personally rather than as a group (compare e.g. Biden’s common “May God bless you all”).
“Hey, Trump thanked me for my attention, there’s a guy who respects and values my time and opinions, and the fact that he says it in every one of his messages only means that he really does care what I think.”
People at my work sometimes end emails with this phrase. I treat it as a dog whistle and stop respecting them.
Unsurprising that ShitLibs just look at the surface of something and decide it’s the same as something else because of surface similarities. They confuse billionaire owned media for unbiased sources, so it’s no wonder they can’t tell the tactics of siege communism from they way Fascism imports the tactics of control from the colonies by calling both things “authoritarianism”.
Siege communism, this is a thing you said for real.
North Korea has the files, and are blackmailing Trump with it.
Hackers: You can hack hackers to do the funniest shit in the world, if the Lazarus Group happen to have some unredacted Epstein Files on a computer connected to the net.
“Internet, do your thing 😎😂”
werent like half of the files released already?
yeah, I’m sure they only released the incriminating half, the rest is probably nothing
/s
Yeah, just look at all the arrests… HA!
If you control enough of a given currency you can do whatever the fuck you please.
Yeah, the states have gone to shit ever since they made crime legal (for the rich).
There’s a relationship between hacking and North Korea, but its not in the direction you’re proposing.
North Korea has the nukes, and any US surface ships within missile range have been sitting ducks for years. Trump is just the only one who can pass off a retreat as a victory.
Like attracts like. One egomaniacal narcissistic dictator likes another egomaniacal narcissistic dictator.
do you support the sanctions on DPRK? just curious
See. At least this time you asked about it instead of just assuming.
Sounds like a resounding “yes” to me.
What are y’all doing, tankie purity testing?
capitalists gonna capitalist.
Most people who try to describe their enemy “the left” have about as much brain matter as JFK
I was really expecting you to say RFK with that worm business and all, but either work.
Flimsy excuse to post one of my favorite images
Man, when you look at it that way seems the whole family is cursed
Just their central nervous system, really. Everything else is or was tip-top.
JFK Jr: scrambled when he decided to push his flying skills beyond their limit, killing himself, his wife, and his sister-in-law.
I heard a conservative say the Iran situation is because Trump used to be a democrat and there’s still some democrat in him.
A 100% republican would have fixed Iran in 2 weeks.
… look, whatever it takes to get them to want him gone.
I don’t care if it’s because they think he’s a secret space penguin as long as they vote to impeach and remove.
Nah you see a real republican would have bombed them into submission and sent in the seals to finish the job /s
Fr the only chance of winning would have been by perfectly following the rules of war, showing restraint, and working to arm dissidents and build a resistance capable of running a successful rebellion and governing well. Followed by us helping the new government build itself up. We learned nothing in Vietnam, we learned nothing in Iraq, and by fuck we managed to learn nothing in Afghanistan. We also managed to completely unlearn everything we learned in France, Germany, and Japan.
But had we learned all this we wouldn’t have gone in alone, we’d’ve asked for the UN to call for troops to protect the protesters and worked with the international community to protect human rights.
No no, a REAL Republican would have personally walked into Iran naked, without a security detail, and carrying an American flag and an AR14 while proclaiming the Strait of Hormuz theirs. There’s still time if Trump or any tech CEO wants to show off their masculinity.
Damn in hindsight, it’s obvious he’s a lying piece of shit rapist, but at the time it was obvious too.
What Smoke and Mirrors! What bombast! Now release the trump-epstein mp4s and remove the degenerate-in-chief!
Almost like the throughline is authoritarianism. They like it when they have control but they don’t like it when who they don’t like has control.
Honestly, it feels like those with lower iq and less ability to inform themselves are the ones that love authoritarianism. They can’t form a coherent ideology and devolve into just trying to control everyone to their underdeveloped beliefs.
That’s where the whole bullshit idea of horseshoe theory comes from. It’s people leaving out the authoritarian axis because it’s beneficial to divide actual leftists and make us seem crazy.
You are crazy if you don’t believe the USA is an authoritarian country. The leader who rules by decree (I mean executive order) is literally Donald fucking Trump. You have gangs of paramilitary police murdering innocent people, you have had a massive build out of surveillance technology without asking anyone, the elections are all fixed, there are more billionaires there than anywhere else on earth yet millions of people are hungry, the schools have been defunded, and you project military power around the world and killed millions of people in the past 20 years.
Where did I say that it isn’t?
Why is far left trademarked?..
Antifa LLC owns the trademark
Satire
I more and more think that there is just one dimension starting by authoritarian and ending with social.
Faschistst, Tankies, free market libertarians, autocrats and feudalists, are just authoritarians in with different origins. Their team should be in power, their team should be supported by everyone, while they profit from it.
While social people want nobody to suffer, everyone to be in power and have self a determination, etc.
True free market libertarians are anti authoritarian. US free market libertarians are always happy to have tax cuts, subsidies, tariffs, regulatory oversight etc. So long as it benefits them.
There no such thing as a free market. It’s a constant tug of war between corporate consolidation and government/public power preventing monopoly and abuse. Removing the public power just leaves corporations unchecked and able to control the market itself.
I don’t think ‘true free market libertarians’ exist. They only want free market because it benefits them at the specific time or circumstances they want it.
They do exist. But not in the real business world.
There are economists that argue (with academic justification) that fewer frictions increase growth. But they usually ignore topics like human rights, environmental impacts, inequality etc.
why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea - which is a nation that is one of the biggest victim of US imperialism?
Liberals are just imperialists.
Comment you’re replying to never said any of that.
I don’t really oppose them?
Comply with international law and open up and I’d probably be for lifting them.
Just like I’m for removing sanctions on Cuba.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on Israel.
Just like I’m for imposing sanctions on my own imperialist country that’s bombing and invading the rest of the world.
And let’s point out too that it’s not the US alone who has sanctions on NK like we do on Cuba. The UN Security Council consistently votes against the Cuba sanctions. They don’t on NK sanctions. Russia and China are part of that council too with veto power, but it’s unanimois. So 🤷♂️
What I would be for, actually, is a better way to affect beneficial change and avoid harming civilians. Sanctions themselves disproportionately affect normal civilians through food and medical shortages, etc, while the political elite can avoid them.
We’re agreed though, liberals, especially neoliberal capitalists, are imperialists. And we’re feeling that imperial boomerang come back around to us finally.
Ok you are alright in this regard
I however disagree heavily with your assertion on “authoritarianism”, because I am a marxist leninist.
Every anti “authoritarian” tendency of socialism (moreso sceintific socialism i.e. marxism) is reactionary and idealist in itself.
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Why did you use the stethoscope instead of the actual left right auth liberty axes?
Ah yes. The Nazis to the left of Fascism with Hitler on their left flank.
A different kind of satire, I guess.
and the well known Libertarian Socialist Christopher Hitchens
Nazism adopted aspects of socialism, its just the Reich decided only certain groups were allowed to participate, while certain other groups were heavily persecuted stolen from, and murdered by the state. So on the Left Right scale yes they are slightly to the left of absolute right because of the social programs and redistribution of stolen wealth and land and the fact that while private ownership remained mostly intact private business was still guided and controlled by the state to facilitate the wartime economy. I’m not calling them socialists, just fascists that stole a few ideas from the socialists and implemented them in ways that would strengthen and benefit the german state, and pacify the remaining approved groups of approved peoples. It seems your conflating left right (communism - capitalism) with Authority and Liberty.
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/life-in-nazi-occupied-europe/economic-policy/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare
Though TBF If I had made this graphic myself i’d probably have expanded the Nazism area to overlap with the Fascism square
The graphic also has my old professor on it as a notable figure, which is also comical. I wouldn’t take it seriously at all.
Can someone point me at one of these “tankies”? I only ever see strawman posts about how stupid they are.
Just go to Lemmy.ml
Post something controversial like “Stalin killed some of his own people” on .ml and you’ll see plenty of them.
Either that or say NK is a dictatorship. When I first got on lemmy I got dogpiled by the hexies because I dared to say NK is a highly propagandized country (even gasp* moreso than the US). Still waiting for even a single one of those guys to move countries to live under the Kim regime, which apparently is the chillest, friendliest place on earth.
Nowhere on earth is more propagandized than the US. It’s a literal $607B a year industry and it’s infected most of the planet at this stage.
Another wild ml account appears. Go live in NK and report back for me on the level of propaganda.
They are always great examples of the ol’ Whataboutisum.
No, if you don’t see the propaganda level the United States has achieved, you’re blind.
Remember how every news channel on both sides of the aisle was denying Israel doing a genocide for the past 3 years?
Ever notice how every single news corp is owned by billionaire capitalists?
US is absolutely more propagandized than NK lmao, NK dont even need to propagandize their people against US, they just need to tell the truth about the horrific crimes US commited there. What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized? lol.
US bad doesn’t mean NK good, ya mook
when did I say that? good and bad are moralist positions, we marxists dont believe in moralism.
You’re all over this thread putting words into people’s mouths then get upset when someone does it back to you. Lmao.
What has NK ever done against US to be this demonized?
That’s the wrong question
Look man, when you drop so many bombs on a country that people start living in caves, and your own pilots start complaining that there are no targets left to hit, I don’t think you get to position yourself as the good guy.
Is North Korea a place with a troublesome political culture and a cult of personality problem? Yeah, but if you wanna know who’s fault that is, go look in a mirror.
why? USA wiped out 12-15% of North korean population btw, they have every single right in the universe to demonize that country.
Is that why you support the killing of millions of USSR civis? Like legit?
when you are in a making shit up competition and your opponent is a kamla harris voter liberal:
It’s not a strawman, that’s just how how far out of left field they are.
An example https://vger.to/infosec.pub/post/37975928
I mean they exist, but it’s like… 3 people?
It’s mostly bots, people get into argument with tankie bots and then make a whole fucking drama post about it.
Unthreatening and respectful, they just did a nuclear weapons test like a week ago
Oh, I forgot that there are people that like to split the hairs here.
Let me fix my sentence.
It was not an actual nuclear weapon test that happened a week ago, it was for the missile designed to carry such nuclear weapon. Totally different intent. Unthreatening and respectful.
The US did over 1000 tests since WWII. So?
Would you describe the US as “Unthreatening and respectful”?
No. Then you just answered yourself.
It’s what happens when you don’t have the the ability to analyze through dialectical materialism. It’s confusing when suddenly the fascist mad man is seemingly taking the same stance as “tankies” on normalizing relations with a non violent country who’s only crime has been being victim of a genocidal campaign over half a century ago. Trump likes Kim for the same reason that he likes Xi. He thinks they are actually the evil dictators that the US makes them out to be. He wants to be an evil dictator. He will always respect any leader that panders to his ego and treats him like a leader. Ironically, Western countries are bad at this. It’s why he hates europe. Hell, Mamdani was smart enough to play a similar game of charisma. That’s the dialectics. At least from what we are hearing from Trump. It’s why he says things like this.
The main material reason is that the defeat in Iran has made any chance of the US maintaining its military in East Asia laughable. It cannot maintain its illusion of China being a threat. If China was going to invade Taiwan it would have done it. Instead, China cut its oil imports to help all of its Asian neighbors. The dream of a “shift to Asia” that happened under Obama is gone. The US power in West Asia is dying and they are pulling weapons and troops from East Asia to desperately attempt to hold onto it. They are stuck with capital invested in a region that they are showing absolute failure and weakness in. With capital investments in Israel and the military industrial complex Trump is being pressured to just “bring things back to how they were”. They never will be. It may take a long time before that is admitted. I expect another round of bombing campaigns and maybe even a desperate small ground troop invasion to attempt to save face and “claim the strate”. But this likely will fail and remain in this denial state for some time; ending through a different president most likely.
He will continue to deny the defeat and soon desperately shift to the one region of the world US capital can continue to exploit: South America.
Some of this is me mixing in my own predictions. Feel free to critize that. But, we obviously all know “JDPON Don” falls into the correct position sometimes, often because of his own ego and the shifting global relations in the face of a dying empire.
TLDR: The “tankies” are against American Imperialism. American Imperialism is losing its power and is forced by material circumstances to take actions that “tankies” would consider good. Trump is appealing to the “strong man” in Kim to make his weak move (failed Iran war causing troops and weapons to be removed) look like strength.
I think the simpler explanation is that NK has nukes, so any US surface ships in the vicinity are just missile bait in a war. Trump can get away with doing things normal politicians can’t, so his advisors told him how ‘respectful’ Kim was being and got him to move the ships to a place where they might still have some utility.
This started not this week but months ago when they removed the THAAD defensive interceptors; not because they were “missile bait”. They literally shipped them to Israel because they were running out of defensive interceptors there. They did this without any say or knowledge from the South Korean government until. They were told after the fact.
I don’t disagree with your “simpler explanation”. You’re saying the same thing I said but removing the material reasons for why this is happening now. The THAADs have been there for 10 years. They were removed for a reason. The right wing military coup in South Korea failed and a more left leaning (for SK) government is in power. There are multiple material reasons for why the US is abandoning SK. The US was forced to remove THAADS, demanded submission to the empire with SK military support as it’s people rightfully were upset. Trump wanted that submission in response to his sudden removal of the THAADs. They didn’t get submission. So they are trying to get it through fear. The US hopes to stoke fear to move the SK government to the right (similar to Japan).
And if we’ve learned anything from the Iran war it’s not specific weapons or military games that make other countries “missile bait”. It’s allowing US military bases in ones country and becoming a missile spunge for Israel.
Any country with US military bases right now should see them as a threat to their national security. Because you become the target when the US starts an illegal war of aggression.
see how they just downvoted your comment and lack mental capacity to actually reply.
Eh, one person replied now. But I get your frustration. There are a lot of things I can’t say in a comment or that I assume others know about so I don’t even explain it. I can’t write a book. I already get the “I’m not reading all that” replies enough as it is. But, when someone reads a comment without that context it can be hard for them to understand.
Things like THAAD in 2016. The protest in South Korea (I was actually there when they happened). I didn’t mention the obvious connection to Iran being that Trump removed them back in March to defend Israel. Something I incorrectly assume people know. So, I could see how my comment could be seen as a “jump” without that knowledge.
But, yes, I’d definitely prefer people reply that disagree.
Nope, most people are just tired of arguing with tankie idiots the same way they are tired of arguing with MAGA idiots. It’s the same type of person.
Nope, most people are just tired of arguing with libshit idiots the same way they are tired of arguing with MAGA idiots. It’s the same type of person.
Lol, sure my guy. Keep telling yourself that.
same can be said about your comment above
Donald Trump has been appointed new administrator of lemmy.ml.
I have a great Modlog, probably the best Modlog in the fediverse. People look at my Modlog and ask: How do you do it sir? That’s a beautiful Modlog you have there. My ballroom is gonna be beautiful too.
Oh my god the /r/pyongyang jokes from 15 years ago are just reality now.
At least they don’t make hidden blocklists to shadownban dissenting opinions. They just dunk on you publicly.
You have been banned from Lemmy.ml
It’s crazy to call that dunkimg on somebody. It’s the equivalent to having to get rid of a houseplant because your idiot trembling chihuahua is scared of it and pisses on the floor whenever it sees it.
why do you say this
ML stands for Marxist-Leninist, but in practice it stands for kissing the ass of the dictators in China, Russia and North Korea.
I am marxist leninist, I support lifting sanctions on North Korea, am I a tankie?
“Wow what a riposte, really roasted that guy. Totally shut down his critique of AES by totally ignoring it and deflecting back to Amerikkka” –Every ml user in every conversation ever
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I thought it was the national domain of the Metherlands…???
The Metherlands? That’s my new go to for the Missouri boot heel?
lol, I always thought it stands for machine learning
meth learning.
which are all right wing countries by the way, thats why they mirror conservatives.
They’re auth. left-right is the economic style