ppl trying to defend LLMs as if the only problem with “gen” AI is who it benefits under the inherently- erm- capitalistic nature of capitalism lol Its tiring.
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I would appreciate an explanation why it is fascistic in particular. Is it about today’s AI companies? Is there something inherently fascistic in large scale algorithms that try to imitate humans? Valuing aesthetics of knowing the truth over the process of learning? I see the correlation, not as much the connection
I would say yes, yes, and yes. Mainly I’m trying to say that even if the environmental and societal factors were solved, LLMs would still be pretty fundamentally fucked, as I also said in another comment in thus thread.
I thought about this a while ago and while its more subjective and personal, I hope it helps illustrate what I’m getting at. If someone subconsciously, or even intentionally, put a piece of a song or words or whatever that I wrote into their own work, I’d feel downright honoured. I’d appreciate some credit if possible (I already think lack of attribution is an issue among creatives sometimes), but even if not, I’m happy knowing my art had enough of an effect on someone to weasel it’s way into their own! That’s amazing! On the other hand, if a piece of something I made similarly wound up in someone’s own “creation” because of an LLM, I’d feel empty, as it means nothing. Less than nothing, in fact. I’d be really upset by it.
I hope that helps?
EDIT: sorry, this comment is putting the cart before the horse, as they say. Its more of an explanation of how I’d feel knowing my work was fed into a fascist plagiarism machine, rather then an answer to the original question.
the OC asked why its fascistic and you answered essentially with “when it outputs something trained on my data, it feels bad, thus fascistic”.
Maybe I’m missing something, but not liking something doesn’t make is fascist.
EDIT: I guess imma add this: fascism is bad. but bad doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fascist.
I can see where this guy is coming from, after all, the collection and conglomeration of everybody’s information is very fascist-esque (case in point Flock), but reading their second comment I’m not even sure if that’s what they mean
They’re honestly kind of just rambling about it not feeling good to be plagiarised from, which comes across as a little odd
Maybe the joke went over my head, but could someone explain how they are fascist?
I get that they are kind of a disaster for the environment and people’s brains right now, but fascism seems unrelated
All of the LLMs are built by fascists. Elon is the most obvious, where he retrains it every time Grok contradicts him or his fascist beliefs
How long until we start calling programming languages fash as well? LLMs are a tool and is no more fascist than the MP-40 used by Nazi Germany. LLMs don’t hold ideals much like a sub-machine gun doesn’t. Now are LLMs used by fascist? Yes obviously, but saying that fascism is inherit to a tool is just wrong. It can be used for fascist purposes, but it depends on the person using it.
I would argue LLMs can be more fascist than than a gun. Any gun is used the same way with the same end goal of firing a projectile, but the use and design of a LLM is a lot more varied from model to model. If you purposefully omit or edit training data to change a LLMs response I would say that’s more fascist than making a special gun that shoots a different caliber.
For clarification who are you saying “uses” the LLM, the end user or the people designing it? I’m assuming the end user is who “uses” it
I agree with your main point and this is just kinda a useless argument but what’s the Internet made for if not silly debates? :>
Slippery slope fallacy. Some tools are inherently wrong to use. Since we’re talking about weapons of war, you could never make this argument about napalm, for instance. The flaws of LLMs are inherent to them and can’t be painted over, no matter how perfect the paint or how well intentioned the painter.
I don’t think napalm itself is fascist but it can be used in a fascist way.
If we want to apply the fascist argument here as well, yes, I think napalm could only benefit a cause that, if nothing else, lends itself to fascism. However, putting that aside, there’s no good use case for napalm in general. I can’t believe I keep trying to re-word and explain that tools made for/inherently tied to suppressing or devaluing people and art are fascist, and it goes nowhere.