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Good job assuming everyone’s gender in this thread I guess.
Also nobody is asking anyone to change? It’s two pictures of the same woman in different looks?
It’s like someone posts a picture of them in two dresses and someone says “I like the one on the left” and you’re out here flipping out on them.
The point is some people like make up, some people don’t. That’s true for the person putting on (or not) the makeup and the person observing them. I hope they partner up in compatible ways so no one is pressured to change. Some people like the make-up look but feel betrayed when they find out it wasn’t natural. That last group is insanely out of touch. That’s pretty much the whole thread.
I want to gently pose a counterargument that hopefully doesn’t lead to folks assuming I’m scolding them. Remember that we’re free to disagree with each other and, in the grand scheme of the universe, comments posted on a forum don’t really matter.
So, if a person posted a picture of themselves in two dresses and inviting the comparison, it’s absolutely okay for someone to say “I like the one on the left.” That’s great! However, I believe the context changes when it’s a post where a man posts two pictures of someone who is not himself, in this case a woman, and says she ought to present herself in a specific way. Similarly, I believe that a post screenshotting the man’s post to have some sort of discussion about his expressed beliefs changes the context as well. Your argument about the dresses, therefore, feels like a false equivalence.
I believe it is 100% okay for either gender to respectfully express attraction to women in the right time and place. It did feel a bit out of place here for men to express a normative statement about this woman when the entire point of the post was criticizing men doing that. YMMV on which commenters were doing this versus simply expressing a non-normative preference, but I felt like one or two may have unintentionally reproduced a (much less extreme) version of what the Jeremy was saying in the meme. It’s okay to have preferences, and if people want to talk about the types of women they’re attracted to, there are many other posts and communities where it would make more sense. But hey, it’s a free internet and I’m not the thought police. Just a girl expressing an opinion.
Thanks for your comment. Well put. I probably wasn’t being completely fair. Certainly this thread is about a guy who feels entitled to women’s bodies. Within it was a conversation about modern make-up aesthetic that likely would have been more appropriate in a separate thread.
It’s quite likely some people used that as a cover for expressing a different type of entitlement to women’s bodies. It is frustrating when a conversation topic gets used by bigots to sneak in their bigotry.
I could have been more fair in my approach, but I also find it frustrating when people sneak misandry through feminism. It’s almost like someone used one conversation topic to sneak in their bigotry.
In modern times, one of the main groups still firmly in the grasp of patriarchal structures is men, and while the extremely rich men at the top certainly exploit everyone, most men are more oppressed by the patriarchy than they realise. Toxic masculine gender roles and expectations undermine their ability to find authentic joy even as they are permitted some power over others. We can’t destroy the patriarchy until most people have found a way out of it and you can’t get “most” people out when you leave half the population in.
In making the space for leftist men outside of the patriarchy, solidarity compels me to call out examples of blatant misandry like all other forms of bigotry. That makes a lot of people who were used to their bigotry going unchallenged uncomfortable, but that’s a small price to pay.
Anyways my main point is that you’re right. Thank you for the comment. Sorry if you felt you had to be overtly diplomatic, but I appreciate the effort to reach someone that may seem distant ideologically. Hopefully we’re not too far apart after all.
Good job assuming everyone’s gender in this thread I guess.
Also nobody is asking anyone to change? It’s two pictures of the same woman in different looks?
It’s like someone posts a picture of them in two dresses and someone says “I like the one on the left” and you’re out here flipping out on them.
The point is some people like make up, some people don’t. That’s true for the person putting on (or not) the makeup and the person observing them. I hope they partner up in compatible ways so no one is pressured to change. Some people like the make-up look but feel betrayed when they find out it wasn’t natural. That last group is insanely out of touch. That’s pretty much the whole thread.
I want to gently pose a counterargument that hopefully doesn’t lead to folks assuming I’m scolding them. Remember that we’re free to disagree with each other and, in the grand scheme of the universe, comments posted on a forum don’t really matter.
So, if a person posted a picture of themselves in two dresses and inviting the comparison, it’s absolutely okay for someone to say “I like the one on the left.” That’s great! However, I believe the context changes when it’s a post where a man posts two pictures of someone who is not himself, in this case a woman, and says she ought to present herself in a specific way. Similarly, I believe that a post screenshotting the man’s post to have some sort of discussion about his expressed beliefs changes the context as well. Your argument about the dresses, therefore, feels like a false equivalence.
I believe it is 100% okay for either gender to respectfully express attraction to women in the right time and place. It did feel a bit out of place here for men to express a normative statement about this woman when the entire point of the post was criticizing men doing that. YMMV on which commenters were doing this versus simply expressing a non-normative preference, but I felt like one or two may have unintentionally reproduced a (much less extreme) version of what the Jeremy was saying in the meme. It’s okay to have preferences, and if people want to talk about the types of women they’re attracted to, there are many other posts and communities where it would make more sense. But hey, it’s a free internet and I’m not the thought police. Just a girl expressing an opinion.
Thanks for your comment. Well put. I probably wasn’t being completely fair. Certainly this thread is about a guy who feels entitled to women’s bodies. Within it was a conversation about modern make-up aesthetic that likely would have been more appropriate in a separate thread.
It’s quite likely some people used that as a cover for expressing a different type of entitlement to women’s bodies. It is frustrating when a conversation topic gets used by bigots to sneak in their bigotry.
I could have been more fair in my approach, but I also find it frustrating when people sneak misandry through feminism. It’s almost like someone used one conversation topic to sneak in their bigotry.
In modern times, one of the main groups still firmly in the grasp of patriarchal structures is men, and while the extremely rich men at the top certainly exploit everyone, most men are more oppressed by the patriarchy than they realise. Toxic masculine gender roles and expectations undermine their ability to find authentic joy even as they are permitted some power over others. We can’t destroy the patriarchy until most people have found a way out of it and you can’t get “most” people out when you leave half the population in.
In making the space for leftist men outside of the patriarchy, solidarity compels me to call out examples of blatant misandry like all other forms of bigotry. That makes a lot of people who were used to their bigotry going unchallenged uncomfortable, but that’s a small price to pay.
Anyways my main point is that you’re right. Thank you for the comment. Sorry if you felt you had to be overtly diplomatic, but I appreciate the effort to reach someone that may seem distant ideologically. Hopefully we’re not too far apart after all.
What a sad molehill to die on. Defending men’s tendency to grant ‘non-consensual approval’ to women.