Hundreds of Lindsay Clancy supporters, many wearing pink clothing emblazoned with phrases such as “Believe,” “She Needed Help” and “Peace For Lindsay,” gathered Thursday outside the courthouse where she is on trial in the killings of her three children.
Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women. Clancy’s lawyer does not dispute that she killed the children, but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
Whatever you think about this case, it’s crazy that mothers are bringing their children to a rally supporting a mother killing her children. Perhaps there should be a group of physicians standing by to talk with these women before they leave the area…
Check the article, the headline seems to misrepresent why they are there and what they want. All I’ve found is this:
Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women.
Maybe they lack the words to describe it better. Maybe some of those women are nuts.
But when pro-life ends with childbirth and leaves mothers alone and healthcare is being gutted, women with rare problems like this 1-2 in 1000 post-partum psychosis are left without help. I do not think they want to see her go free, they want such tragedies to never happen with better healthcare.
Of course that is only possible by completely reforming the US political and economic system.
There are a lot of highly suspicious holes in her ex husband’s story. Guy keeps changing his story every time he gets asked about it. Personally I don’t buy his shit. I think he did it and framed her for it.
Somehow, she was able to go on a manic murder spree she has zero recollection of. She had taken sedatives that should have knocked her out. Her body temperature at the time she was found would have meant she had gone out the window roughly an hour before the time the children were killed.
Her ex claimed he talked to her on the phone where she allegedly admitted clearly that she killed them. But at the time of the 14 second long call, she had alreadly gone out the window, was paralyzed and incapable of speaking at all. When she came to in the hospital, she had to communicate nonverbally.
The most damning part to me, is the fact that 1 minute after her apple watch read her heart rate at 57 bpm, her ex sent a work email from his laptop located in the basement where the children were killed. Even though he is claiming he wasn’t home at the time. Before that came out, he had lied and said their cameras didn’t work because their wifi was down at that time. Also, when the cops came, her apple watch was in her nightstand, not on her. Somehow she took it off and put it away neatly in the middle of a manic murder spree?
The kids had also been tied up using a sailor’s knot, by someone who was left handed. Interestingly, Lindsay is right handed and doesn’t know how to tie that knot. But her ex is left handed, and is an amateur sailor.
On top of that, there is footage of him in two different stores shortly after. And for some reason, even though he went straight between them, he is in a completely different outfit in each place, shoes and all. The guy got remarried like 3 months after this all happened, and if you ask me, that’s awfully short timing. None of it confirms he did it for sure, but man his whole story stinks to me.
Her lawyer did not dispute the claim she did it at the start of the trial. But a lot of this info about the husband has come to light during the trial. Idk where this will all go, but I am not convinced she did it. Statistically speaking, it’s almost always the husband that does shit like this. I think he wanted out so he could go be with his new lover. He probably saw an opportunity to frame her for it when she was begging for mental health help and talked about wanting to harm them and herself. I think he drugged Lindsay, tossed her out the window, killed the kids, and then left so he could come back a little later and “find them”. Also worth noting that he was buddy-buddy with the cops who responded to the call.
I know a lot of people have already decided she’s guilty. But given all of the holes in his story, I just don’t buy it. If you smell smoke, it’s because there’s a fire. And that guy has been lying about several things.
Tl;Dr: This guy watches a brain-damaging amount of TikTok and believes in baseless conspiracy theories.
Most of what just got regurgitated here is complete horseshit. Patrick Clancy has never once been accused of killing these kids. True crime weirdos spread nonsense about anything that trends for views, and the then stupid people take the bait.
It’s shameful how many upvotes this comment has. This is brazen misinformation.
I know that this case elicits a lot of emotion from people, it’s no excuse to spread harmful misinformation.
EDIT: Honestly, this comment is such bullshit it needs a point-by-point breakdown. You should be ashamed for having posted this.
Virtually every claim in this theory originated on TikTok/unverified true-crime forums and directly contradicts the official court filings, surveillance footage, 911 audio, and statements from both the prosecution and Lindsay Clancy’s own defense attorney.
Here is a fact-check of you claims:
“Guy keeps changing his story every time he gets asked about it… Even the prosecutors were caught on hot mic saying to each other ‘He didn’t do this did he?’”
- The Reality: Patrick Clancy’s timeline has remained consistent from the day of the incident. The “hot mic” claim is an entirely fabricated rumor with zero record in official court transcripts, press conferences, or verified audio logs.
“Her ex claimed he talked to her on the phone… But at the time of the 14 second long call, she had already gone out the window, was paralyzed and incapable of speaking at all.”
- The Reality: The brief phone call took place at 5:34 PM while Patrick was inside the Duxbury CVS asking a pharmacist about Miralax for their daughter. Lindsay answered the phone normally. Patrick did not return home until 6:09 PM, when he found her in the backyard after she had jumped. She was not outside or injured when they spoke on the phone.
“The kids had also been tied up using a sailor’s knot, by someone who was left handed. Interestingly, Lindsay is right handed… But her ex is left handed, and is an amateur sailor.”
- The Reality: The children were not tied up with knots. According to court records and the Plymouth County District Attorney’s arraignment statements, the children were strangled using exercise resistance bands. The “sailor’s knot” detail is pure internet fiction.
“1 minute after her apple watch read her heart rate at 57 bpm, her ex sent a work email from his laptop located in the basement… Before that came out, he had lied and said their cameras didn’t work because their wifi was down…”
- The Reality: None of this exists in the evidentiary record. Patrick’s movements between 5:15 PM and 6:09 PM are corroborated by store security footage, time-stamped register receipts, and GPS data. There are no forensic reports or filings citing a basement work email or selective Apple Watch data during that window.
“On top of that, there is footage of him in two different stores shortly after… he is in a completely different outfit in each place… The guy got remarried like 3 months after this all happened”
- The Reality:
- Surveillance footage from both CVS and the restaurant (3V’s Village Restaurant in Plymouth) showed him wearing the exact same winter jacket and clothing.
- Patrick Clancy has not remarried. He has largely stayed out of the public eye aside from running the 2024 Boston Marathon to raise money for the Boston Children’s Hospital’s Clancy Family Foundation.
“I think he drugged Lindsay, tossed her out the window, killed the kids, and then left…”
- The Reality: Lindsay Clancy’s own defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, has never argued that someone else killed the children or that Patrick was involved. The defense’s official legal strategy is centered on involuntary intoxication and postpartum psychosis, arguing that Lindsay’s severe mental illness and medication regimen rendered her legally insane at the time of the acts.
Inventing conspiracy theories that accuse a grieving father of murdering his own children runs completely counter to all physical evidence, video surveillance, phone records, and both legal teams’ filings. You just can’t wrap your head around complex postpartum mental illnesses, and would rather believe anything but that a loving mother killed her kids in a psychotic state.
I actually don’t watch Tiktok at all. I don’t even have an account, so there’s a problem with your own baseless claim off the bat. I never claimed her lawyer is saying he did it, I said I think he did it. There’s a distinct difference. I’ve been pretty clear that this was my opinion based on what I had seen and heard discussed. I have also encouraged people to go watch it themselves and come to their own conclusion.
I looked more into it, and I do think you are correct about the hot mic. I have edited my previous comment to not spread that rumor. I am also trying to be clear on when I am commenting on what I have actually seen, versus just heard.
Patrick’s story is absolutley inconsistent. If you actually watch his questioning, he flip flops over and over on things. At one point, one of the prosecutors was asking him about the timeline, and he actually asked them what he did and they told him. He was getting his story from them instead of just being consistent.
The CVS he called from is 3 minutes away from their house. And from what I have heard people discuss, the body temperature discrepancy places her outside before that call. As far as I am aware, we have heard no audio of that call. So the claim that she answered normally is heresay from Partick.
The children were strangled while they had their hands tied behind their backs. That is what I am referring to when I talk about the knots. Not talking about what actually killed them, which is irrelevant.
Patrick’s movements between the CVS and restaurant is when he was changing outfits. I have seen the footage and he is clearly wearing different shoes and pants between them. As far as him getting remarried goes, I have only heard people mention that. But your claim that he did not, is the first time I am hearing that.
The work email and Apple Watch data I am referring to came up during her lawyer’s questioning. The lawyer brought it up with their ISP records. Patrick looked surprised, and suddenly his story didn’t align with his previous claim about the wifi being down. The email was sent from his work laptop which was located in their basement, at 5:24 which is during the window he was allegedly out of the house.
That came up during the trial, after they already began the case with her mental illness defense. She has zero recollection of the incident, so I don’t know see how it wouldn’t be possible for new details to emerge and shed light on what happened.
I am certainly capable of believing she could have done it in a state of postpartum psychosis if the evidence proved it. But the reality is that the details of this are very messy on both sides. I have only ever said I don’t believe his story and that makes me feel like he did it. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to convict him of anything. But I also don’t think there’s enough to convict her of anything either. If I were on the jury, I would not convict her.
If she did do it, then it’s a terribly tragic situation where she was failed by the medical system. But if she didn’t do it, I cannot fathom how horrible it would be to be in her position right now. Most of the main stream news reporting on this has already painted her as guilty. But seeing as how it is more muddy than that, I believe it’s only fair to look at the other side too. I am not ashamed to give someone a fair chance. If new information comes to light that proves she definitely did it, then I am certainly willing to change my opinion on it.
I encourage everyone to look at all of the information, official filings, as well as the actual footage of the trial, and come to your own conclusion on it. I am not claiming he did it as a fact, it is my opinion that he may have. I just don’t want people to jump to the conclusion that she’s guilty because they read a headline. It’s far more complex than that.
It’s fucking sad that you have to do this honestly. We are fucked lol truth is now opinion.
If nothing else, that’s reasonable doubt.
Exactly. I wouldn’t say it’s enough to convict the guy of it, but it certainly pokes big enough holes to doubt the claim that she absolutlely did it.
Being utterly unfamiliar with this case up until my rushed reading of 10 mins ago, and operating under the assumption that everything you’ve said is 100% factual reporting:
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
What!? That isn’t smoke pointing to a fire, it’s a goddamn molten slag cast in the shape of a man gleefully setting fire to a previous life as he dances over to a new fire pit.
That shit is too on the nose that I fully expect the true crime drama episode in 10 years about husband’s exploits to come with a warning about the gullibility of the system and technology.
Just enough digital trail to “absolve” him, conveniently, but only if you pick and choose where and when to accept the trail is on his side?
This is absolutely looking like the classic “sociopathic piece of skin husband has idealized mental picture of life shattered by difficult reality and decides to dispense with his ‘property’ before moving on” murder pattern.
operating under the assumption that everything you’ve said is 100% factual reporting
Record scratch
Everything they just said is unsubstantiated bullshit conjured up by the TikTok true crime community. You are best served to forget everything you just read and read the Wikipedia page instead.
That’s certainly how it looks to me. At least from what I have heard, it doesn’t seem like enough to convict him of it. But at a minimum, it casts enough doubt that no jury should convict her of this.
Well this changes everything, and I am just now learning about this case. But I hope this comes to light and he gets what’s coming to him.
Like goddammit is not marrying someone else THREE MONTHS AFTER HIS KIDS DIED! That huge red flag. But if he buddy with the cops that surprised he getting away with it.
None of what you just read is true. True crime influencers are making shit up en masse about this case.
You should read more from a reputable source instead of believing what randos tell you online.
I wouldn’t recommend automatically believing everything you read on the Internet.
You can watch the testimony and questions on Youtube and come to your own conclusion on it. The reason I typed up this whole thing is because so many people are just automatically believing she is guilty because they read a headline. Your advice goes both ways.
The courts aren’t trying to decide whether or not she did it, or if her husband did it. They are decoding whether or not her mental state makes her criminally liable. She already admitted that she did it. There isn’t any doubt there.
You clearly “did your own research on YouTube”. It shows in how to you don’t know what you’re talking about, and are regurgitating influencer misinformation instead of talking about the actual facts of the case.
If you read my original post, I clearly mentioned this. I never claimed the court was determining if she or the husband did it. What I said, was that what came up provides reasonable doubt that she did do it. And in my personal opinion, from what I saw in the actual testimony and not influencer misinformation, I think the husband is actually responsible. Like I said, this information about the husband came up during the trial, after her lawyer had started the trial with an insanity plea. It’s not misinformation to discuss new details that come to light. I don’t know why you think it’s impossible for things to change as new evidence emerges.
Chris Watts also initially claimed his wife did it.
Oh he did that shit
Just saying she was mentally ill is the understatement of the century. The framing of this headline sickens me.
She was in a full on manic episode, desperately trying to get help, and everyone around her failed her.
I agree. The headline and article are so different they might as well be unrelated.
When too much support for women is maybe a bad thing.
When fundamentally failing to look at any evidence is a bad thing.
If acknowledging that the American healthcare system doesn’t care about women is “too much support for women”, you might be a man who should shut his mouth.
Postpartum psychosis is real. This woman should not face a murder conviction and lifetime in prison for suffering from this medical condition, no matter how horrific the results.
I’m glad to see people standing up for women’s healthcare and demanding that this woman not be punished whenever she didn’t commit this act out of malice, but because her brain literally fucking broke.
It’s sad that people like you would rather just write this woman off as an evil baby murderer. She has broken down repeatedly when addressing what she did. It’s fucking heartbreaking, and you should try to be a better human being than this.
This woman should not face a murder conviction and lifetime in prison for suffering from this medical condition, no matter how horrific the results.
Men get charged for their actions while in a state of psychosis all the fucking time. You just care about this one because she has a vagina.
bullshit.
Mental health isn’t your fault, but it’s your responsibility. She never mentioned the thoughts she was having to a professional. That’s on her. She murdered her children.
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Your empathy is making you foolish.
Okay, Elon.
“She loves them deeply,” Cavanaugh said. “She carries immense grief.”
This is reminiscent of the guy who killed his kid by leaving him in a hot car and then killed himself due to grief. She will never escape the memory of what she did because the trial will highlight the entire thing. The media has painted her as a monster. Peace will never be in her life again as she has to live with what she did, regardless of the trial outcome. She will try suicide again.
I mean, it’s a little different. In this case she is demonstrably mentally ill with postpartum psychosis and bipolar disorder. Being committed is probably the best thing that can happen to her, so that hopefully she can get treatment. She literally was not sane when she did it and wasn’t mentally capable of understanding her actions during it.
In the father’s case, the dude was a neglectful layabout who routinely left the kids in the car so he could play fuckin video games without them annoying him. His wife had begged him repeatedly to stop leaving them in the car.
From what I’ve heard, evidence has come out that suggests she might not have done it after all. Starting to look like there’s a chance the husband did it and set her up to take the fall.
Starting to look like there’s a chance the husband did it and set her up to take the fall.
Do you have a reputable source for this statement?
It’s almost all from the husband’s testimony and her lawyer’s questioning of him. Basically, there are a whole lot of things he said that don’t add up with established facts.
Has a respected source like the Guardian or the Boston Globe (this case is in Massachusetts, no?) done any reporting on this given the severity of the implications? Because if he did it, then his testimony is obviously incorrect, and if he didn’t do it, then he was a first hand? witness and first hand accounts have traditionally been seen as unreliable.
Seems like at best he’s a bad husband and father.
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From what I have seen, main stream news has really been running with the story that she did it. There are a few that have touched on the fact that there are people who think the husband did it. But most news sources haven’t really reported on it. The claims I’ve seen that he did it are from people watching the trial themselves and coming to that conclusion based on what came up through hours and hours of questioning. I appreciate that you are asking for a source, but there’s really not a lot from reporters right now. The source is the like 5-6 hour questioning of the ex husband.
I wouldn’t call any of it hard evidence. Moreso that this guy keeps changing his story, but he’s the star witness for the prosecution. What evidence did come up about his email, places him in the house at the time of the murders. He had previously claimed to not be home at the time and lied about his wifi being turned off. He claimed that’s why their security cameras didn’t record the incident. But the email evidence proved otherwise.
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It’s time for our regularly scheduled ragebait distraction murder trial! Whose side will you enter the argument for this time?
They’re getting so much worse at it, it feels so inorganic.
Everyone sucks here
The story is heartbreaking, and you are right - the community and system failed that family. Humanity failed that family.
Kara Hurston holds her daughter Prinn, 4, as they join a demonstration in support of Lindsay Clancy outside Plymouth Superior Court, where Clancy is on trial in connection with the deaths of her three children.
Better watch your back, Prinn, 4.
yeah, i’m sorry but no. She didn’t take her meds and I question what other things she didn’t do while trying to get treatment. she tried to “kill herself” by jumping out of a second story window…that’s not going to do shit other then apparently paralyze her from the waist down. “how the mental health system treats women” it looks like said system WAS trying to treat her but she refused to do her part.
It’d be like wrestling fans gathering to support Chris Benoit for what he did. I’m sorry but no.
You got so many facts wrong it’s sad.
The doctors swapped and stopped her meds, she did everything a person in a manic episode could have done to get the help she desperately needed, and multiple people failed her and those children.
You did uncover an important point. One I discuss with doctors commonly. If their treatment plan is something I can’t practically do, then it isn’t a good plan. For example, I have significant adhd. If the treatment plan calls for a midday pill, that just isn’t going to happen consistently. My adhd ensures that. Most of the time they have no other options. The medical system assumes everyone is sane and nuerotypical in the treatments I designs. So now imagine someone with pill anxiety.
So just because she didn’t do what the doctor’s said, doesn’t mean their plan was realistic and transfer all the guilt to her.Nobody can make you better for you, you have to play a part in your own health care. Not being able to take pills on a schedule is something for children. You’re an adult. From every doctor in the world, to every problem patient, just take the freaking medicine that we prescribed as we prescribed it.
it might seem callous, but you know what else is callous? the fucking disease that your desperately seeking treatment for. The one you tasked us with fighting, and now you make excuses and argue against how we’re fighting it? OK. sure. sounds like you’d rather live with impairment than take the fucking pill, that’s all I hear.
Set an alarm or calendar reminder on your phone
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I’ll take care of that in a couple of minutes…
Six hours later…
Shit.
F’real tho what does help (for me) is daily pill organizers and keeping routine. Granted sometimes routine gets broke…I’m glad I’m not on any life-or-death meds, for sure.
But I’ve got an AM/PM weekly pill organizer. I take a set of meds in the morning and then I take tylenol and another med pro re nata. The PM slots keep two doses of tyelnol and the other med, to make sure I don’t accidentally overdose (did I take a tylenol earlier?). The organizer stays at my desk where I have breakfast everyday.
I take an oral GLP-1 which stays in my nightstand and I always bring a bottle of water with me to bed to make sure I have it as soon as I wak up in the morning (oral GLP-1’s should be taken on an empty stomach, < 4oz water, and at least half an hour before food or any other med). I haven’t missed a day yet (though I do have quite a collection of water bottles on my nightstand…).
I’m switching to a compounded semaglutide in a few weeks tho, and that’s weekly and I hate needles…so we’ll see how that pans out.
Spoken by someone who has no idea what I am talking about… but great job making my point.
but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.
This is a giant misunderstanding IMO. Being mentally ill is part of who that person is, if it results in criminal actions, the person must be held responsible. Otherwise we can boil the argument down to that we all are influenced by outside forces, and we essentially don’t have free will. And that would make No one responsible for their actions.
For example: “I was angry because I was hungry.”
Should that be a legal defense?
Granted that if she can be successfully treated, that could serve as an argument to reduce punishment, if she is no longer a danger to people around her. And American punishments are generally over the top sociopathic.
But the idea that mental illness should void responsibility is a huge misunderstanding.
I was once personally threatened by someone with a big knife, claiming he was allowed to do it because he was mentally ill.
I explained to him very carefully, that he is not, and if he attacked me, he would go to prison. He was obviously aware of what he was doing, and I managed to talk him down. But he too had this idea that you are not responsible for your actions, if you can claim mental illness.I mean, the concept of “free will” could be very heavily debated…everything everybody does is influenced by everything everybody else has ever done.
We have the choice to say yes or no, that’s ultimately ours (assuming a sane), but it’s based upon a lifetime of experiences and knowledge. And if it’s not fairly obvious by now…knowledge is the product of facts…and facts are surprisingly subjective.
Even the response to a yes/no, itself, is often heavily tied to a power dynamic between two people. Is it free will if duress is involved?
Even the hobbies that we’ve chosen as individuals to pursue, we got into them, usually, because somebody influential in our lives exposed us to them, on some level. Had that not happened, you’d probably know nothing of those hobbies, and take up something entirely different, from a different influence. Is your passion for that hobby truly your own?
Say you’re a kid and your family moves from SoCal to like Minnesota or some other frozen tundra hellscape. Everybody skates, but you love surfing, and Minnesota isn’t really known for its beaches. So you learn to skate. You never chose to move to Minnesota, you never wanted to skate, but that’s what kids in the area do for fun and the options are fairly limited. Now that kid grows up and becomes a pro hockey player. Was that free will? Even if they end up enjoying it, even if they are good at it, they still kinda stumbled their way into it by circumstances outside of their control.
Part of proving a crime is proving “mens rea”, or “criminal mind.” Not all crimes, but most have to prove that you knew what you were doing was wrong and you chose to do it anyway. The mentally ill defense is to say you couldn’t form that criminal intent. That’s an exceptionally hard thing to prove. If she kept trying to check in because she was afraid she was dangerous, that’s already a sign that she knew she was doing things wrong.
And not guilty by reason of insanity doesn’t mean you get off scot-free. Usually it means commitment to a mental institution. (See: One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.)
And also that mens rea doesn’t apply to all crimes that could be charged. Like “first degree murder” requires intent to kill while “manslaughter” usually requires intent to harm but not necessarily kill. “Reckless endangerment” likely doesn’t require that intent at all, just neglect to prevent a harm.
Those might not be the exact names or criteria of crimes depending on state, but that’s the general idea.
Yes, the exact verbiage depends on the state, but typically that’s the case.
Yes it’s fucked up when there is no help when she knew she was sick, and tried to get help.
We actually have that problem here too, even though we have healthcare for all, psychiatry is constantly short of capacity, and there are long waiting lists.
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others and it was out of her control, the hospitals kept refusing to admit her. She needed intensive inpatient therapy, and it was never given to her.
So square:
She kept presenting to the emergency room because she knew she was a danger to herself and others
With:
The psychiatrist testified that Clancy never told her about manic episodes, a criterion for bipolar diagnoses, nor about hearing voices or having other signs of psychosis.
Clancy at times said she was “close” to feeling suicidal, hopeless or like she was going to die, Tufts recalled. But she said Clancy denied having a plan to take her own life or harm anyone else and never revealed — as the defense says she did to her husband — that she had thoughts about harming the children.
And the fact she seemingly told nobody else she felt like she was a danger to others.
Where did she tell anyone about this? Not that the hospital didn’t still have a duty to care for and admit her if she had thoughts of self-harm, but it sure seems like she intentionally lied by omission.
OK That’s absolutely her being responsible, and the healthcare system failing her.
That is something to take into consideration, not the insanity by itself.
A severe manic episode, by definition, is uncontrollable and does not produce rational thoughts.