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How does one get so far left that they are a “tankie”? I feel like I am very left leaning, but I would punch a tankie in the head.
is my understanding wrong? I don’t get how you could be “Far Left” (In that they would be against Authoritarian Governments like the Nazis) yet also a “Tankie” (Which embraces and supports Authoritarian Governments).
Bacuse left and right - socialism and capitalism - have nothing to do with authoritarianism, which itself is a spurious concept. All systems are authoritarian; you’re not allowed to form a communist state under liberalism, you’re not allowed to form a government under anarchism, etc. You’re forced to play by the rules of the hegemonic system, authoritarian is just a label for whether you personally like those rules.
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine and you have your tankie. For dictators being somewhat anti American is a pretty good strategy. The US propaganda is pro democracy and that is a great enemy for a dictator, the US also does a lot of evil shit and the fact that your country is poor is all to blame on the US and absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything. That btw is also why “socialism” never worked for tankies. As in it would have been perfect, but the US destroyed it.
As for many of the best stories, there is a good bit of truth in it. As in the US actually does a lot of evil shit and 100% fights leftist movements. However it is not always the bad guy and two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time.
And (neo)liberal democracy is working as intended in the US. Except it is a lie because capitalism, the news media, the voting systems and the institutions are all flawed.
There is a fundamental question about the value of democracy and capitalism that liberals refuse to even entertain. Which is a problem. They can’t not see themselves as good guys.
So when you equate an “authoritarian” regime with a “democracy” you get called an authoritarian. Not someone for a higher form of democracy.
I do agree there is a reactionary element in trying to rehabilitate Stalinism and the immense state violence during the great purge. If you’d want a revolution and clean up in the USA, how many people do you think you’d have to execute or put in prisons / gulags? But even so (when led by a paranoid sociopath) it’s not the same because the underlying ideology actually does make a difference. So horseshoe, schmorshu.
Tbh people would probably call me a tankie. And to get to the conclusions I’ve made about the world: violence and hierarchy are tools. They are not inherently evil.
And as another comment in you replies has said it just depends on if you agree with the what those are enforcing.
How does one get so far left that they are a “tankie”? I feel like I am very left leaning, but I would punch a tankie in the head.
is my understanding wrong? I don’t get how you could be “Far Left” (In that they would be against Authoritarian Governments like the Nazis) yet also a “Tankie” (Which embraces and supports Authoritarian Governments).
Help me?
Bacuse left and right - socialism and capitalism - have nothing to do with authoritarianism, which itself is a spurious concept. All systems are authoritarian; you’re not allowed to form a communist state under liberalism, you’re not allowed to form a government under anarchism, etc. You’re forced to play by the rules of the hegemonic system, authoritarian is just a label for whether you personally like those rules.
Specifically, it was made to separate Hitler from the right and pawn him off to the left.
It is honestly pretty simple:
US = bad -> anti US = good
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine and you have your tankie. For dictators being somewhat anti American is a pretty good strategy. The US propaganda is pro democracy and that is a great enemy for a dictator, the US also does a lot of evil shit and the fact that your country is poor is all to blame on the US and absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything. That btw is also why “socialism” never worked for tankies. As in it would have been perfect, but the US destroyed it.
As for many of the best stories, there is a good bit of truth in it. As in the US actually does a lot of evil shit and 100% fights leftist movements. However it is not always the bad guy and two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time.
And (neo)liberal democracy is working as intended in the US. Except it is a lie because capitalism, the news media, the voting systems and the institutions are all flawed.
There is a fundamental question about the value of democracy and capitalism that liberals refuse to even entertain. Which is a problem. They can’t not see themselves as good guys.
So when you equate an “authoritarian” regime with a “democracy” you get called an authoritarian. Not someone for a higher form of democracy.
I do agree there is a reactionary element in trying to rehabilitate Stalinism and the immense state violence during the great purge. If you’d want a revolution and clean up in the USA, how many people do you think you’d have to execute or put in prisons / gulags? But even so (when led by a paranoid sociopath) it’s not the same because the underlying ideology actually does make a difference. So horseshoe, schmorshu.
This is objectively true. Tell me one big societal change that is achieved without violence?
Democrats and Republicans, i.e. Libs and MAGAts
Most of the time those “dictators” are dirt poor themselves (see maduro or gadaffi). I dont know where you got this assertion from.
Socialism absolutely worked and it was 100% destroyed by USA most of the time.
Why would you punch a tankie in the head?
Tbh people would probably call me a tankie. And to get to the conclusions I’ve made about the world: violence and hierarchy are tools. They are not inherently evil.
And as another comment in you replies has said it just depends on if you agree with the what those are enforcing.