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I think it has nothing to do with the reasons they give, they just want to push western narratives of “righteousness”
I’ve been to political rooms in blahaj before and the discussed politics always boil down to anti-conservatism and anti-russian/chinese imperialism,
US imperialism? You’ll be called a tankie and told to stop acting like one to fit in
Israel genocide? You’re regressing the progressiveness of empowering jews, stop being overly antisemitic and using tankie sources
Some political news africa? Turn it about weather or not they support LGBTQ rights yet
Riots in south america? Their governments are oppressing them, also stop using tankie sources
There’s no way they can be this biased by coincidence, i’m not a tankie and i didn’t believe it at first but it’s true, Tankie do carry the burden of always being right!
I mean they just ban everyone who can critically read the media and understand basic geopolitics. Of course the remainder will be imperial core national chauvinists, that’s the default in their countries.
This is just standard liberalism. They literally think communists are the same as Nazis. They think Hitler and Stalin allied to conquer Poland. They think the Soviets did a genocide, and they think Mao was some kind of demon whose goal was omnicide.
"One may respect or hate Nazism, just as one may respect or hate any other system of political views. That is a matter of taste. But to start a war for the sake of the ‘destruction of Nazism’ is to commit in politics an act of criminal stupidity.”
J. Stalin, Pravda, Nov 30, 1939
Do you know what the context of this was, or are you quote-farming? The central point being made by Stalin was that fighting the Nazis prematurely, without solidifying western allies (who would have loved nothing more than the Nazis and Soviets killing each other off), the Soviets may end up catapulting straight into their own demise. It was the fact that Stalin had a cooler head and a better reading of the room that the Soviets managed to launch history’s greatest counteroffensive and wipe out the biggest fascist threat around the world.
I speak fluent Russian and read this and the rest in original. That’s absolutely not what is written.
And you can go and see Stalin’s edits on the article draft in Russian presidential archive.
Elaborate, then, what was Stalin trying to do? I specified context because that’s specifically what Stalin was trying to do.
Irrelevant question, and burden of proof lies on you as you are challenging a factual event that happened.
No, lol, I was describing Stalin’s well-documented strategy regarding the Nazi threat. It’s summarized quite well in How to Cast a God into Hell: The Khrushchev Report. The Soviets expected the Nazis to invade, but were worried about the west, which was reluctant to take either side. Stalin was no friend of the Nazis, and wanted more time to prepare, and to prevent Britain from siding with the Nazis, which was a sizable risk.
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If you want a point of view that isn’t in your bubble, what many people call “tankies” are in fact campists. By that I mean they commonly engage in authoritarian apologia for anyone purportedly “against the west”.
Iranian government brutalizing its own people? Butwutaboutdawest. Russia waging an imperialist war to absorb a neighbour? Butwutaboutnato. China threatening it’s neighbours? Butwutaboutdawest.
Nothing is ever their fault, any atrocity committed is either a false flag or misinformation because the only thing that matters is the team on the shirt, not any actual actions.
God forbid somebody can be against US imperialism and against Russian imperialism simultaneously, that’s much too nuanced.
Iranian government brutalizing its own people? Butwutaboutdawest.
That seems like a reasonable question to ask in order to not blindly adopt national chauvinists views. Shouldn’t you put developments in context to avoid getting swept up in a propaganda push?
Is this the “authoritarian apologia” you mentioned? Maybe you could give a citation of someone doing it so we can judge if they are being unreasonable.
Russia waging an imperialist war to absorb a neighbour? Butwutaboutnato.
Is it imperialist? Russia is doing this to expand profit seeking for its national-level monopolies or otherwise export capital? If so they are doing a bad job. Or maybe you don’t know what imperialism is in this context.
Regarding NATO, yes understanding its purpose and it’s member activities in the lead up to Russia invading Ukraine is actually a basic necessity for grasping why it happened at all and why it isn’t just revanchism or “imperialism”. Can you tell me what happened re: the Minsk agreements and why that is relevant? What were their contents?
China threatening it’s neighbours? Butwutaboutdawest.
I honestly don’t know what this is even about. Maybe Japan remilitarizing? It’s not hard to see why that would be concerning.
Nothing is ever their fault, any atrocity committed is either a false flag or misinformation because the only thing that matters is the team on the shirt, not any actual actions.
I have never seen someone saying anything remotely in the vein you are referencing that doesn’t also have criticism for those nations.
Perhaps you could give an example.
God forbid somebody can be against US imperialism and against Russian imperialism simultaneously, that’s much too nuanced.
One would have to start with an understanding of imperialism.
Shouldn’t you put developments in context to avoid getting swept up in a propaganda push?
That’s reasonable. I personally knew a lady who was beaten, imprisoned and starved for a week by the morality police for forgetting her hijab at home though. I struggle to think of a context that would justify that. This was many years ago though, as I understand it the morality police and their systematic human rights abuses were largely unofficially abolished in 2023 after mass protests.
The new wave of protests from this year were largely about inflation and cost of living, as far as I understand. You don’t get to thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries via effective crowd management.
Is it imperialist? Russia is doing this to expand profit seeking for its national-level monopolies or otherwise export capital? If so they are doing a bad job.
In order: yes, yes, yes, and also yes.
My opinion is that the primary motive of the original full-scale war, which they honestly thought they could get done in 3 days, was primarily to expand the workforce due to their crippled demographics, while simultaneously scoring an easy propaganda win domestically, giving a black eye to the US and EU, and get a hold of the rare earth minerals which were being prospected in eastern Ukraine at the time. It also didn’t hurt that before they bombed it, the area was relatively industrialized. Due to the incompetence of authoritarians in general and their inability to admit defeat (just look at the US in Iran today if you want a 2nd example), they are forced to keep going to save face no matter how pointless it is and how many people die.
In terms of motivation for Russia to continue their war long past the point of sunk costs, it probably also doesn’t help that because they’re fully in a war economy now, the end of the war will cause their economy to crash.
As a capstone to this: you don’t get a pass on imperialism just because you’re bad at it. If that was the case, Mussolini did nothing wrong.
I honestly don’t know what this is even about. Maybe Japan remilitarizing?
Take your pick. Saber rattling with Taiwan, encroaching on the Phillipine’s maritime waters, skirmishing with India and Pakistan on their border, and more.
I have never seen someone saying anything remotely in the vein you are referencing
I see every other day here references here to Ukrainian Nazis, Russian self-defense, etc. As an Eastern European who’s heard second-hand from refugees what’s going on in detail, I hope you can understand why that’d piss me off a little. So afraid of falling for US propaganda so they’re gobbling up Russian propaganda instead.
You do know that Israel has literally admitted to having mossad agents at street level during these protests??
Another case of “anyone slightly more left wing than me is a tankie, anyone slightly more right wing is a fascist” while we all boil in the same real-life-gray-area soup
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Been gone for a while, did my peoples go tankie?
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i thought they were anarchists
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Tbh, my comment got removed from worldnews.ml just for saying it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of US soldiers in yet another senseless war. I believe the average .ml user to be 15 years old.
it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of Nazi soldiers
You’re simply wrong. Celebrating the deaths of those who voluntarily signed up to be fascist stormtroopers raping, pillaging and war criming their way across the periphery is entirely reasonable. Especially for those of us outside the white supremacist western empire who the stormtroopers are intended to be sicked on.
You’re making everyone here look like a callous asshole. Your mistake is assuming those who sign up have a good understanding of what they’re signing up for. They don’t know. Their sin is ignorance. I will never celebrate the death of someone in their early 20s or younger who doesn’t know any better and you shouldn’t either.
I am not sorry for having no sympathy for imperialist stormtroopers. In the internet age ignorance is not an excuse. Should rapists and murdered in their early 20s be let off with warnings? Obviously not. Please take your clean wheremacht nonsense elsewhere.
US soldiers are not “uwu smol beans” just trying to get free healthcare.
They don’t deserve praise or sympathy for doing their job, which is to further the goals of US imperialists. They deserve accountability and scorn for every drone strike. Every blown up family. Every fucking village they’ve reduced to ash. They are not precious victims. They are the boot on the neck of the world. They are the monsters the children of the global south wake up to at night in terror.
Unlike you and most people trying to convince me every US soldier is a stormtrooper for the empire, I have family in the region and know people directly affected by this war.
I never said that US soldiers are innocent, I just don’t celebrate them dying because I think human life is valuable. Edgeposting online feels very cool but doesn’t do anything to end this conflict. If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it. Demonizing soldiers online is just childish and immature.
More US soldiers dying will also not let the conflict end sooner which would be the best outcome. Those dozens who have died so far will be replaced by others.
Doesn’t seem to me like this is an extremly pro-US position.
You don’t know what I do and don’t do and who I do and don’t know. I’ll continue to celebrate US soldier deaths and you can keep pathetically mourning these white supremacist tools of destruction.
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Why haven’t you proven that you don’t deny the genocide of white South Africans?
Is it because it didn’t actually happen? Well there’s your answer.
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What genocide are they allegedly excusing?
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Stalin,
The kulaks were not a people but an economic class, and a famine is not a genocide[1].
Augusto Pinochet, and American ones.
Where are they apologizing for Pinochet or the US? That doesn’t even make sense.
wait, why did we get lumped in with the communists?
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You didnt, only china is considered communist in the original. You’re on the forefront of the communist aggression, as seen with the arrows, because some parts of the fediverse considers you to be/going tankie, and because the user that was the starting domino for this was a db0 user.
Ill never understand why brainlets try to call /0 tankie given how much squabbling and total idealogical disagreement exists between it and the 3 pretty tankie instances.
You’re left of Hilary sadly you’re a tankie. I’m sorry.
Do I at least get a free T72?
No… You need to work as bot for 1 year and send an application form directly to Putin.
We know that some people eventually work past their “fuck tankies” stage because we did. Most of us used to believe the same things and for the same reasons, because we grew up under largely the same conditions.
Actually I was never this insufferable.
Tankie is a disgruntled state of mind/interaction. A basic incompatibility.
Tankie is just a pejorative for those who support existing socialist states.
I have supported socialist states, said positive things about Vietnam and China on countless occasions and never been called a Tankie.
So I think there is a discussion and attitude element to it.
Got blocked from 196 for having an opinion that, although popular, did not align with the mods there so you know what? Fuck 196 and their baby mods. They’ve shown themselves to be little bitch snowflakes so let them be?
open modlog
hoo boy yeah good riddance I’d sayBoth ways I might add. I know I’m better off lol
Honest question: are there any Republicans on lemmy?
Context: I’m socialist and mainly hang around hexbear so I see a lot of that. I also see plenty of liberals and libertarians but I haven’t seen any nazi’s or more standard Republicans. Are fascists just bad at tech or am I just lucky?
They usually hang around .world, but stay quite. Other than Patrick’s public meltdown recently.
Also Reddit and X are your Republican safe spaces, so why would they even care about Lemmy?
Blessed not to know who this Patrick is lol
Good point 👈😎