I mean, I guess “impeccable safety record” is in the eye of the beholder?

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    Watching the video, I get the feeling like the car software hit a wall and asked for human help.

    Traffic infractions for people have to balance the severity of the infraction and the human who did it. But this is a systemic failure and corporate is responsible. The fines need to be corporate-level to match.

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    Just the fact that it crosses that double wide white line, that means under no circumstance do not cross this line! Only to end behind a perfectly visible veritable wall of bollards! All this in high daylight too!
    The strongest danger of Tesla FSD I think, is that in most situations it drives very confidently, and very well. So people begin to trust it.
    But then suddenly it does something insanely stupid like this, or cross a red light without hesitation, or completely ignore a stop sign.
    This is when you die. Not the 90% of the time it drives fine.

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      Remember that the bar for self driving cars isn’t perfect driving, it’s better-than-human driving, and humans are generally pretty bad at driving, so that bar isn’t as high as you probably hope it is.

      I’m not suggesting they’ve reached that bar, only that “sometimes a mistake happens that results in death” is also a problem with human driving, but we know that self driving cars don’t get drunk or distracted by their phones, so they’ve already got a leg up on the competition.

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        The human safety supervisor of a Tesla Robotaxi who crashed was apparently sleep deprived and having a mental health episode, so, if you think self-driving cars will insulate you from human foibles, just you wait. The futures going to get real weird!

        Broadly I agree, though. The goal is better-than-human. It really shouldn’t ever cross a solid line, though.

        That was this case, it’s all self-reported so take it with a grain of salt, but it was interesting food for thought: https://electrek.co/2026/07/28/tesla-self-driving-manager-rolling-hazards-lawsuit/

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          The goal is better-than-human. It really shouldn’t ever cross a solid line, though.

          The goal should be far fewer cars of any sort on the street. Investing in self driving cars instead of better infrastructure is stupid. Especially when the cars are privately owned

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            A non-existent car is ALSO safer than a human-driven car, so it’ll sound weird coming from an automotive journalist, but I totally agree. There’s no car safer than a railway car.

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      Before the teslas came out everyone was shitting on how stupid elon musk was for insisting he didnt use lidar, despite how glaringly obvious it was it wouldnt work.

      What’s even more amazing is 10 years ago or how ever long it was we where “2 years” away from full self driving. To this day there is no full self driving from Tesla, yet we are still some how 2 years away.

      Everything elon musk says is a lie to inflate his ego and his stocks. From the Tesla tunnel, to solar roofing, etc, etc.

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      And, if the only consequences are fines, then those are just the cost of doing business. Breaking the law is usually very profitable for corporations.