They quit after a considerable effort by a central authority to communicate and educate. That’s where the parallel breaks down. I don’t see that in the near future.
I guess at some point in history regulation of cigarette companies felt impossible, so maybe if you extend the thought to include an unprecedented shift in policy it tracks.
Not smoking when you haven’t started is really easy, because it smells awful
quitting/NOT drinking alcohol is a bigger feat.
Society turned its back on the smoking industry. But they BATHE in alcohol. Social pressure certainly adds a layer of difficulty.
deleted by creator
The same generation that smokes fewer cigarettes also consumes more vapes, so… 🤷♂️
The habit hasn’t gone away; it merely evolved.
Wouldn’t it be difficult to vape when vape didnt exsist…
I was building my own mods and coils and juice before vaping took off.
It’s just a battery in a tube with a coil as a resistor that heats up with battery contact and you squirt juice on it.
Even if they banned vapes tomorrow, I’d still vape.
The only way they could stop me is if I couldn’t buy nicotine solution.
But I’d still probably vape non nicotine stuff for a while. It really is the act that’s the most addictive part. Like I think someone could placebo me with switching my juice with no nicotine.
Everytime I make a new batch of juice I put less nicotine in it. I’m probably at like 8% of the nicotine I use to put in it after all these years.
That is what I did. Eventually there was no nicotine in the juice at all. But it’s like you said, it’s the act of it that was addictive, not the drug. To be quite honest, it didn’t feel any different without the nicotine.
An entire generation has not rejected smoking.
Until they made the nicotine taste like Monster Energy drinks, anyway. Don’t look at zyns.
they already using vapes, e -cigs.
Yep, that’s what I was referring to. Monster vape juice was the moment I thought “whelp, big tobacco got them again”
Do you think there’s nicotine in Monster Energy?
Lol at least here they are all smoking again. Or vaping, in vanilla-strawberry flavor with vapes that can be recharged but not refilled and are then discarded
They replaced smoking with vaping and other ROAs. I’m pretty sure the past decade+, % of teens addicted to nicotine would be far greater than teen smokers in the 90s.
I’m in my mid 40s and I’m constantly bombarded with Vaping PSA ads on Reddit. I don’t vape.
Source? Because no way that can be true
A Millennials’ feelings (of superiority)
It’s my own estimation.
“I made it the fuck up”
😁
Ya but what pisses me off is that vaping ≠ nicotine. Secondhand vapour is far less of a problem than secondhand tobacco smoke, and that’s before factoring in nicotine-free flavours. Banning it everywhere in the same thread as cigarettes is ridiculous and shouldn’t be respected.
Ok… But most people aren’t vaping non-nicotine juice. You’re technically correct that it exists, but who cares? That’s not the issue, the issue is that it has hooked a new generation of smokers.
Ok… But most people aren’t vaping non-nicotine juice
You’d be surprised… Nicotine salts are pretty controlled in much of the world so many teenagers are just vaping flavour. Vaping with nicotine was more a thing among recovering smokers.
Zynns are a different story… Those are stupid amounts of Nicotine and pretty popular.
This is not entirely correct for reasons already cited, but I’ll add this:
Government and healthcare providers have been driving anti-smoking campaigns for a looong time to the point that all cigarette packages are now olive green with gigantic content warnings and pictures of dead babies, and are prohibitively expensive. Also you won’t get some medical treatment if you admit that you smoke or, to a lesser degree, ingest nicotine in other ways.
It’s a bit short-sighted to say that the generations that grow up in this athmosphere performed an “insane feat of strength” instead of just growing up in a reality that makes it much harder to fall for cigarettes/nicotine.
It’s not exactly olive green IIRC, but some other shade that is scientifically proven to be one of the most disgusting colors to the average person
It’s a pretty standard type of military green.
But yeah, they probably did a totally insane amount of research on that.
PS: I used to joke about collecting the different messages and pictures like football cards. The website this pic is from seems to be doing it in earnest…
i’m gen z and like 80% of my friends smoke and ~95% vape
I’m a millennial and went from all my friends smoked to everyone quit smoking to now everyone smokes. About 90% of gils i met on tinder in tge past 5 years smoked. Someone asked me why i didn’t filter out smokers. Well, not really a whole lot left tbh.
Ya i didn’t quit smoking because of hygiene or health reasons, I quit because I was told it would impede the effects of feminising HRT. If i wasn’t a girl I would be smoking rn
Girlboss
n=1 makes this an anecdote of personal experience. So ya know - not relevant
We’re at a bar not a science symposium.
Skill issue
Insufferable twattery issue.
What’s honestly wrong with you?
You’re being rude. In this thread you’re responding to personal anecdotes by demanding sources to comprehensive studies or articles.
People are sharing their personal anecdotes, the testimony of their own lives and lived experience. And you’re obnoxiously popping in demanding sources to multiple people who are just sharing their stories. It’s totally inappropriate and a violation of basic social etiquette. When called out on it, you responded with an insufferable reply of “skill issue,” like a 12 year old, completely unaware of your own poor social skills.
This is how human beings communicate with each other. Not everything is a formal academic debate or conversation. In fact, that’s only a tiny fraction of human communication. Most communication is just people sharing their thoughts and experiences with each other. People have a right to share their own experiences without being shouted down by some debate bro or sea lion demanding sources.
The only time you should demand sources is if people are making sweeping claims of the world not backed by their own experiences. It’s perfectly valid to tell people, “in my experience and understanding, the world or human beings are like this…” It’s completely inappropriate to demand sources for comments like this because you already have the ultimate source. People are just sharing their own opinions, and the only possible source for someone’s opinion is their own mind.
Just imagine having a conversation at a bar or restaurant, and every time you make a point, the person across from you obnoxiously says, “I don’t care about your opinion or experience. Give me a source!” Can you not see how rude and insufferable that would be?
This is the shower thoughts community. It’s literally a place for people to post their damn thoughts! This isn’t a community dedicated to formal scientific or policy debate. It’s just a casual chatroom. Don’t be an asshole and ruin the vibe by demanding sources when people are just sharing their thoughts and opinions. If you don’t want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions and only want to engage in formal academic discourse, then stick to communities centered around that.
Read the room for fuck’s sake.
I’m being pragmatic, nothing more. It’s difficult for me to have a conversation based on feelings, whims, and wishes
At least pragmatic enough to not read your 1000 word essay on why you’re offended by having an informed discussion
sybau
I quit smoking July 19, 2026 and drinking Feb 14, 2017. My opinion is addictive habits aren’t going anywhere. That the struggles over addiction of past generations will mirror the struggles of future generations.
With that said, I think some things are changing:
- smoking is pretty stigmatized in more cultures
- drunkenness is unglamorous and may be posted to social media
- MH occupies more space in the public consciousness
Most importantly, it’s profitable to sell addiction. As long as that’s not changing, and it doesn’t seem to be, we we always bear this burden.
Loads of people have given up smoking through sheer willpower. Some people just didn’t start smoking straight away in the morning, so the giving up isn’t a big deal to them.
Following a couple of years starting from those COVID days sitting for a morning smoke on the balcony, I gave up smoking by vaping, and gave up vaping via a change in scenery, change in routine and you know, just by being on holiday. At least two times.
When I got back, I got whacked by what I call triggers…a huge number of them nearly every hour. Previously I gave in to these, but I’ve learned the stupid way that nicotine psychology is madly powerful, and once you start to recognise you’re just getting triggered for the hundredth time, you just get on with it.
Nicotine is pretty demonic when you think about it.
Forever is a pretty long time. Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone make a bold statement like that.
Meh, where I live few people smoke, but I still see people that smoke every other day. There’s still cig butts everywhere. I was hiking in the forest and this dude walking his dog was smoking, I saw him flick his butt right into the nature he was enjoying. And the number of people vaping is huge, even very young folk who walk around with vapes.
I was in France recently and everyone smoked there, it was like going back in time 20 years. Ashtrays everywhere, everything stank and people were chain smoking non stop.
Just because something has gotten less popular locally, doesn’t mean an entire generation has given it up. It’s just a fad not to smoke cigarettes right now, a fad that might change in the future, given how addictive it is.
Same in Germany. People don’t even seem to realise the dangers of it, or how they’re harming others. They just think it’s their “right” and the government agrees.
People don’t even seem to realise the dangers of it
Please … we’ve had warnings and graphic images on the boxes for decades now, people do realise. They just accept these dangers or don’t care.
