I truly hope they cram in a cameo for Tim Russ and that this time, he finds shit.

  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
    10·
    9 hours ago

    Are there any fandoms that allow a loose interpretation of canon?

    I mean, coming out of mythology, it’s perfectly okay for there to be multiple competing narratives, but it seems fans hate ambivalence.

    • Rob T Firefly@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      47 minutes ago

      Doctor Who has gleefully gone the “everything is canon” route in recent years, especially applicable when your main cast constantly travel back and forth through time making significant changes to the course of events.

    • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
      3·
      2 hours ago

      Loose interpretation is something lots of videogames use on purpose with an “unreliable narrator” POV

      • dark souls, bloodborne, elden ring games are pretty much built on it. Most of the lore is given through item descriptions, so tying up the big picture is usually the result of interpretation
      • Elder Scrolls games use the unreliable narrator trick a lot as well, the issue is that it’s also used by writers to retcon stuff into more generic material. Since it’s an open world action RPG with some level of choice they’ve made the weird decision to have all possible actions canon at the same time, even contradictory ones

      The Elder Scrolls even has an alternative current that aims to destroy the concept of canonicity itself, it’s called c0da and they’re basically trying to turn fan fiction into having the same legitimacy as ingame canon. It’s a bit weird but it’s led by one of the original writers for the elder scrolls, who happens to be one of the main influences for Morrowind, the best Elder Scrolls game

    • TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world
      5·
      5 hours ago

      Warhammer CAN be that way sometimes (mostly 40k), though it varies heavily depending on who you’re talking to. Some of that is due to retcons in the real world and some of it can be justified in-universe simply by the fact that their stage is the entire Milky Way galaxy, there’s a LOT of wiggle room to be found there

      • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
        2·
        2 hours ago

        40k is nearly built on this, it changed so much from its original concept. Originally, space marines were like the police of places with aliens & humans living together, which is quite the whiplash from the genetic supersoldiers killing aliens for breakfast

    • usernamefactory@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      6 hours ago

      I feel like super hero comic fans have a bad rep, but are more easy going about this than one may think. Things kind of drift in and out of continuity all the time. Especially if we’re talking about a big creator. Grant Morrison misremembers Batman’s son’s origin? Okay, that’s the new origin! He wants to bring back the second Robin’s red hair, which was written out twenty years ago? Okay, that’s a thing again.

    • arctanthrope@lemmy.world
      11·
      7 hours ago

      the Tolkien legendarium is a lot more loose than most people think. it’s got a reputation for a high degree of specificity and detail, but that’s more true for some things than others, and sometimes those details are contradictory between different versions of the same story throughout the editing process, with no clear indication of which one should be considered canonical

      • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        7 hours ago

        This is partially because the Legendarium was constantly being revised and was never finished, and partially because he wanted it to be self-contradictory, like real mythology.

        • arctanthrope@lemmy.world
          6·
          6 hours ago

          and in the same vein there’s the premise that all these works are just translations of manuscripts he found as part of his work as a linguist. so in canon everything we know comes from a translation of a copy of a single source with limited information

          • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
            4·
            6 hours ago

            In much the same way, each variation of Trek can be viewed as an interpretation of events with embellishments and mixed sources of information. The core events occurred, but the details are to be taken with several grains of precious salt.

    • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      23·
      9 hours ago

      Doctor Who seems the most forgiving in that area. It has a built in etch-a-sketch mechanism between series/actors/writers and we’ve generally gotten accustomed to shrugging and go “sure, why not” again and again.

      • Sundray@lemmus.orgEnglish
        13·
        9 hours ago

        Doctor Who… the franchise that gave us 3 (or 4?) different explanations for the sinking of Atlantis!

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          3·
          5 hours ago

          Perhaps it was sunk a dozen times, maybe hundreds, who can tell? Perhaps it was sunk a dozen times, maybe hundreds, who can tell? Perhaps it was sunk a dozen times, maybe hundreds, who can tell? (Perhaps it was sunk a dozen times …)

      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
        9·
        8 hours ago

        Yeah, I remember watching the re-boot thinking, first thinking, “wow, this is getting really complicated” before realizing it was a just a kid’s show ultimately and nobody was taking the timeline implications seriously.

        I don´t think you could have a show like Dr. Who with strict canon. Every other episode would be a Yesterday’s Enterprise, with a former Dr running about in the background from an earlier episode.

        • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
          17·
          9 hours ago

          9 (Tennant) best encapsulates the confusion:

          There is/was a Time War, enemies are back and gone again. Best not to think too hard on it or risk an aneurism.

    • gws@programming.dev
      4·
      7 hours ago

      You’re taking about “loose canon” but the whole conversation is already about Mel Brooks.

    • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
      10·
      9 hours ago

      Well I’m currently in the middle of watching the new Scott Pilgrim series on Netflix and that seems to specifically be setup to flip everything canonical. Withholding final verdict until I finish it but so far I am liking it.

      • hopesdead@startrek.website
        9·
        9 hours ago

        Well it works off of being a re-imagining of the movie which gets meta. And the movie itself isn’t even a adaption in the strictest sense since the script was in development before the comic ended.

    • Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml
      2·
      8 hours ago

      TTRPGs usually have a fairly loose canon, and Paizo definitely like to lean heavily into the multiple mythologies aspect.

  • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
    414·
    4 hours ago

    I just think everyone should be prepared when this movie is an absolute piece of shit. I remember the hype for the first one, and it totally tanked. It’s really only a classic because you watched it when you were young. “We ain’t found shit” and the dick jokes were the funniest part of the original.

    Don’t just downvote me, go watch it again*. It’s barely a Mad Magazine parody of Star Wars. And if you love it and think it’s hilarious then I bet you spend hours quoting Monty Python at parties while the rest of the party rolls their eyes.

    *And then go watch Blazing Saddles because that is some hilarious Mel Brookes

    • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      5·
      3 hours ago

      So, you didn’t like a mad magazine parody of star wars? Where you at in the descent bro, I want to watch you hit the surface.

    • BillyClark@piefed.socialEnglish
      3·
      3 hours ago

      When you say that something is shit, it might help your argument just a tiny bit if you give any small specific example of why it’s shit. All you’ve done is say that it’s shit and then list parts that you liked, and then said the rest is crap. Well, if all the rest is crap, you can certainly find plenty of examples, so if you could just specifically list the top 10 or 20 examples of crappy scenes or jokes that failed, maybe we’d have something to talk about.

      Also, strange to insult quoting Monty Python while recommending Blazing Saddles. Blazing Saddles and Holy Grail, which I think is the most quoted Monty Python movie, have very similar approaches in their endings.

    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      4 hours ago

      You know, if you hadn’t ended your comment with that smug, masturbatory dreck, you might have said something worth talking about.

        • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          3 hours ago

          “nobody may disagree with me until they spend 2 hours doing the thing that I demanded they do first” is some proper Main Character syndrome posting

          • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
            2·
            3 hours ago

            “Put it in the clay, Papa Bear, put it in the clay.”

            “I’m going to fight! I’m going to get revenge! I’m… going to make a cute little ashtray for my incense. It’s going to look like a puppy.”

          • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            4 hours ago

            You can do what you want, I don’t mind, but seriously, Space Balls is Mel Brooks at his laziest and it does not stand as a work of cinema.

            • and I challenge you to watch it again and defend its virtues.