I’m asking because I wonder if Lemmy having a left wing, progressive, socialist, communist bent means Reddit was coming down hard on those ideologies (biased if you will) than right leaning, centrist or free market Capitalist ideologies?
Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?
I try not to bring politics to my main account.
The more people you let into a public space the stranger opinions get. And its relatively cheap to throw a post up.
well, I’m not perma banned here.
I’ll let that fact speak for itself.
I got banned from one of the UK subreddits because someone said Brexit was a good idea and I said “No it wasn’t.” Got banned for talking politics in a non-political sub and the person I was responding to didn’t get banned lol.
Fuck reddit
I’m liberal as fuck so you’d think I’d get along good with both Reddit and Lemmy, but I’ve been drawn into so many knock-down, drag-out flame wars on both platforms with people I agree with on 95% of the stuff under discussion that I just noped out of discussing US politics online altogether.
my politics piss everyone off because they are pragmatic rather than based on idealism.
Not really.
I don’t want to murder etsy quilters for participating in capitalism and I’m comfortable hearing opinions I don’t agree with, so the lemmigarchs and groupthink-meme-peasantry both get angry at me a lot here.
As a communist, we don’t get mad at people selling quilts on etsy; we more or less question people who either aren’t self-managing their services or have no co-ops. The petite bourgeoisie are people who have a surplus of labour, which is exploitative.
How ideal
You monster. Quilters are clearly privileged time possessors! Your lack of willingness to kill them tells me everything. /S
Already replied to the original person, but this isn’t what communists are mad at; there’s a MAJOR difference between the petite bourgeoisie and self-managed goods and services. It’s the surplus of labour at traditional businesses which are considered bourgeois, not having co-ops or self-produced products.
How dare you!
There was hardly a conservative to be found on reddit until about 2013. I was sort of surprised when exremist conservatives showed up and became a force on the site. However, they ended up being so toxic that reddit banned a lot of their shit around 2017-2019. Last I was around there, people with typical US Democrat politics were the majority by a good bit. Of course that means lame conservatives come and whine about how liberal everyone is. Yeah dude, you’re not the majority, sorry.
Lemmy is far more leftist. It’s rare to encounter communist supporters on reddit, but not so much on Lemmy. I’d never heard of the term tankie before coming to lemmy.
As far as a group that seems more comfortable than on reddit, I’d say trans people found a home on Lemmy. (edited because this sentence was semi-incoherent)
Reddit didn’t ban them. It took so much racist crap for TheDonald to get wiped, and even then, the same assholes just made a new sub and continued on with dogwhistles.
Reddit also seemed to allow right wing brigading while punishing leftists in a very unbalanced manner. Multiple “moderate” (sane, non-tankie) left-wing subreddits had to close around major US political events because alt right chuds would swarm them and the admins didn’t help. Meanwhile I once got a 30 day ban for “brigading” when all I did was going to a right wing post that was linked on a progressive sub and engaged in what I saw as good faith debates - and they were actually productive as I’ve received multiple comments from right leaning accounts about how I provided new perspective. No name calling or anything, actually civilised debate (which today seems impossible), around universal healthcare and education being something that benefits everyone in a society, even if indirectly…
Then the whole thing turned to shit around 2018, and by Jan6, things got incredibly polarised, making debate impossible.
They did ban r/ intcel, coontown, frenworld, fatpeoplehate, gendercritical, chapostraphouse, braincels, and various others. “the donald” was initially quarantined in 2019 and banned in 2020. By then they’d already let the scum who ran and frequented the sub run rampant over the site for way too long.
I recall around 2017, various left-leaning subs started automatically banning anyone who participated in what they called hate subs. That was annoying because even if you went in t_d and said “wow, you guys are losers”, you’d get banned from other subs by a bot.
I mean, I got auto banned from a number of feminist subreddits like, 2-3 years after gamergate, because once upon a time I commented on the kotaku subreddit a few times (some big game release I think)…
I remember there being a whole bunch of Ron Paul supporters on Reddit back when I joined it around 2009-ish
It was a different breed of conservative than the MAGA types we have now, but you’d be pretty hard-pressed to label them anything but conservative.
This is true of reddit and how I remember it. A lot more akin to 4chan of the time than not honestly, despite redditors acting as if they were above them, but I also changed over time. A consequence of my sheltered conservative christian 90’s monoculture small prairie town upbringing, but I gradually moved more and more to the left with life experience and internet exposure. I wouldn’t say I really settled until my early 30’s. Perhaps as a Democratic Socialist, but I don’t like to really adhere to any given labels. Was atheist the whole time but that didn’t change much about my upbringing and initial views even if I was immune to the actual deity belief part of conservative religious indoctrination.
reddit became less and less welcoming of me as time went on. Eventually leading to getting banned repeatedly, especially during Trump term 1.
But to answer OP: Yeah, I don’t run into much friction here, mind you, I block the tankie triad.
Side question, if Lemmy grows do you think the same will happen here?
I don’t think it will, but no. I think more splintering into defined groups that get along would happen.
The Ron Paul supporters were libertarian flavored. I don’t think they were social conservatives like we have now.
I didn’t agree with them wanting to cut services, but they weren’t deranged like with what we have now.
I guess I didn’t encounter them or feel bothered by them since it’s, as noted, nothing like the pernicious idiocy of tea party/maga people.
Wasn’t all that active on Reddit before I got banned for “security reasons” (which I still to this day have no idea what they mean by that), but it was a mixed bag on Reddit. Which makes sense, there is a LOT of users on Reddit after all. On Lemmy? It seems like everyone is one of two factions here: Liberals/Progressives/Social Democrats or the Tankies, and which one you encounter when posting or replying is seemingly random to me. It’s unfortunately emblematic of the current day left though where both sides spend more time infighting than actually opposing the right. Though tbf, the right has gone off the deep end so hard that there’s nothing of substance to engage with anymore from their side. Anyway, I could be entirely wrong though and it isn’t just two waring factions here. I imagine if Lemmy was as big as Reddit though that it would be a mixed bag of ideologies since there would be a lot of normies as well
I am very glad that more people here are to the left of me rather than the right, but it hasn’t seemed to make discussion any easier.
I just don’t see the Fediverse catching on widely overall, and if it does it will splinter.
I will no longer tolerate bad faith discussion, targeted violent rhetoric, and blatantly insulting comments.
We have, largely, been better here, and I hope to… if not keep it that way, then at least continue to advocate for a better form of discussion that promotes understanding. I say this because, as a leftist, I have been dragged further left by being here in ways that have measurably changed the lives of people around me.
Keeping a social media space relatively non-toxic HELPS PEOPLE. Let’s try.
Lemmy as a whole is really weird. There are some communities that just ignore seriously problematic user behavior and some with mods that engage in tyrannical viewpoint suppression. You just need to pick ones with reasonable groups of people that go there. It’s the same as reddit, but with fewer weird outsiders fucking things up and no obnoxious admins.
It’s not weird when you realize people like people who they agree with and don’t like people they don’t agree with.
abusive behavior is fine as long as it’s directed against people you disagree with.
I’m in a weird spot where some people would consider me right wing and some would consider me left wing. I believe I’m closer to the left but I do have some Right ideas. Because of this no community fully accepts my opinions. But on Lemmy atleast we can argue without some fuckass mod deleting the messages and banning everyone.
I’ve always hated the left/right “spectrum”. Politics and philosophy are highly multidimensional, reducing it to a single line - or, these days, a pure binary value - hopelessly oversimplifies the issue.
Can’t agree more. Pisses me off. Tolerance and empathy has been hijacked by some to suit an agenda.
I have views that lots people on social media will disagree on, but unless they are far-right, I think its still not exactly completely hostile.
But here, oh boy, if you aren’t left enough, you are a “fascist”.
By Lemmy standards, most people I’ve talked to would be “fascist”. Your uncle with a small bussiness complaining about a liberal politician? Yep he’s literally adolf hitler. Your grandma that only ever gets fed propaganda? She’s no different from someone cheering at the gas chambers. Your male classmates that never had good influence in their life and fell into a manosphere rabbit hole because the left abandoned young men, and they just wanna feel better and be “alpha” (or whatever it is they say)? Oh yea according to Lemmy, we should just shoot all these people. Shoot your grandma cuz its her fault for watching propaganda. Your uncle is a nazi because he has a stuggling bussines and got swindled by a politician. Dont even bother teying to talk to your conservative neighbor, Lemmy commands you to shoot them on sight. Everyone is evil unless they are 100% Socialist.
I would say Lemmy is better than 4chan or someshit like that, but its not some internet paradise.
But at least you wont get called a slur here, thats the best part about far-left spaces over the far-right. Radical racial inclusivity and pro LGBTQ is the best thing about Lemmy, even when toxicity happens, at least your race or sexual lifestyle is never criticized. But “more accepted” is not exactly the right word.
But here, oh boy, if you aren’t left enough, you are a “fascist”.
I see that a lot. It’s damaging.
You need to understand that in the United States, we literally have a secret police kidnap people off the streets, and then immediately remove them out of state and delete their records so that they cannot be tracked, to facilities that don’t provide adequate living standards to the extent that people die in them. They are literally “cheering at the gas chambers.” I understand fascism hasn’t reached this point in Canada yet, but you should still recognize that it’s a harmful ideology.
Problem is, you yelling “ICE is Gestapo” just sounds like fearmongering to the average person. Because statisti ally most people never see ice, and even when they do, it just seems like “immigration enforcement”. Dont think about it from a Leftist mindset, think from the normie’s brain. Like view this thing with normie lens and it just seems like a normal part of the system.
At first I was scared to, I explained that to my aunt about my reluctance to exit the us borders in fear of not being able to return. (Because I do not like the previous country I came from) But she’s like “oh really?” like she did not even take it seriously.
Because she left the US and reentered dozens of times and nothing happened. She is visibly non-white, we are Chinese American, but she is a US Citizen and she never had issues at the border, neighther my Uncles. None of my extended family, visibly East Asian, had any problems with ICE.
I was also kinda worried about my mom going to China, because like both sides feels sketchy. I feel like China would call her a traitor and the US would, on return, deny entry or accuse her of being a Communist spy or something like that. Nope, she and my older brother just returned just fine. Just normal entry never detained in some dark room. Never gotten any extra scrutiny.
I also recently visited Canada with my mother, we came back just fine, no ICE shenanigans.
And we are ethnically Chinese just to remind you again.
So imagine white families. How often do you think they see ICE if we dont even see ICE.
How do you convince people about a “Gestapo” when like statistically most people dont see it.
Like if I try to talk to a conservative, and they ask “have you ever been stopped by ICE? Have you even seen ice” I’d have to be honest and say no, then they could go “see, your legal, you’re gonna be fine, they’re just after the ‘illegals’”
Like idk how to even argue.
I’m not denying that it happens, to brown people, it definitely does happen. Its just between work and making food and chores who really does all the research? Some kid unemployed could do these research, but average working adults do not have the time to research. Anything they see on tv feels like “oh yea thats just enforcing the law” to normies.
Edit: Btw the “uncles and grandma watching propaganda” was an example, I dont actually know what my uncles, aunts, grandparents voted for, but they’re very normie so it wouldnt be shocking if they did vote conservative.
So imagine white families. How often do you think they see ICE if we dont even see ICE.
Daily. On the news. The last time I had a family lunch with my dad’s side, my dad shared a “fun fact” that so many people have been cleared out that some towns are seeing drops in rent, to which my grandmother responded “That’s great, they should do that here in our neighborhood.” They know. When I say they are literally cheering at the gas chambers, I’m not being a fanatic. Fascist Germany happened in real life. Regular people were sincerely brainwashed into believing complete evil was good for them, and I have seen the Republicans do it to my family and my supervisors. The regular ass people who loved me and helped me be the best person I can be, who spent my entire childhood teaching me not to be a nazi, became god damn nazis.
Bruh your uncle is literally Hitler thas wild
I was banned on Reddit for being too pro-choice, so I’d say so.
For being too pro-choice? What did you say? Lmao
I didn’t engage in politics on reddit because there was other content there. Here not so much.
Well, we have linux and beans. Which communities do you miss most?
Applying this question to Lemmy as a whole strikes me as a sign of the basic point of the Fediverse being missed. It’s not supposed to be a single community.
My politics are are universally unacceptable so I fit in here just as well as anywhere.