What the actual fuck are yall on about
To any Americans actually confused, let me give you to the bite sized introduction of what liberalism actually means from Philosophy Tube.
Liberalism in america and liberalism in Europe, etc are different. We have libertarianism which is closer to classic liberalism others refer to.
At least it’s after the election; the pre-election circle-jerking about how Democrats/liberals are the worst thing to happen to humanity were… suspicious.
The leftist memes never change, the only difference is we’re only allowed to speak when Liberals don’t find it inconvenient.
Can you please tell me the difference between leftist and liberal?
Leftists don’t believe in a (free) market, while liberals do.
In other words, leftists generally believe buying and selling, currency, etc. should be eradicated.
Neo-Liberals are basically capitalists pretending to be anarchists. They love capitalism, and the freedoms they fight for are meant for corporations; not people.
There’s countless differences between leftists.
The unifying differences are anti-capitalism and being against private ownership - which in leftist thinking is differentiated from personal ownership (toothbrushes, personal housing, etc). Generally there’s some degree of anti-hierarchical values.
There’s countless differences between leftists.
They asked for the difference between leftists and liberals, not whether or not there are differences between leftists.
The unifying differences are anti-capitalism and being against private ownership - which in leftist thinking is differentiated from personal ownership (toothbrushes, personal housing, etc).
Correct.
Generally there’s some degree of anti-hierarchical values.
Same with liberals, so generally incorrect.
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Liberals do not want to do away with representative democracy?
Not part of any definition of “liberal” I’ve heard of, no.
Spoken like someone who’s never been accused of wrongspeak in .ml.
Another shitty anarchist take.
No one wants to be blue maga and that’s what we got
What does that mean?
It means you burned up on re-entry
Liberal is shorthand for economically liberal aka free market capitalists, any other definition is wrong, fuck liberals
Words can have more than one meaning. Liberalism means one thing politically and another philosophically. Arguing it means only one thing is misleading and wrong.
But yes American liberals are not helpful at best
The classical definition is actually free markets with protection from harm, which is very different
The definition I’d go with is: “Anyone who is in favor of both free market capitalism and individual rights.”
Which, yeah, would be kind of neat if you could have both. But the former tends to erode the latter quite badly over time.
That’s called a classical liberal fyi
Great! Welcome to now
They still believe in the concept of a free market and capitalism being good. What we’ve seen with attempts to regulate is either the companies ignore it because the fines are less than what it’d cost to follow the law, skirt around it in some way, or just buy up people to then strike it.
Then you’re not regulating it properly are you?.. there are tons of regulations in play that do work.
You’ve seen attempts to regulate that are generally company-sponsored and ineffective in preventing the harms the regulations are intended to prevent. Or you’ve seen out and out corruption which buys democracy and breaks it. Liberalism, as I understand it (as a European) allows state ownership and a free market, in different goods and dependent upon conditions in that market, to prioritise people over capital
Talking to an older, conservative acquaintance and he says to me “I’m glad you’re not a liberal like everyone else your age”
Me, stifling a smirk, “I am certainly not a liberal”
Certainly not a liberal…
No true Scotsman, eh?
Uh I’m greek?
Failing to see how that applies here
In the USA liberal is the term used to describe progressives. I believe that’s what they mean.
Any Joe Schmoe on the street in the USA will use it that way. They do not know the dictionary/philosophical definition of the term, that people on Lemmy beat on relentlessly.
bullshit. I hang out in progressives circles, every single American progressive world be insulted if I they are called liberal.
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In the USA liberal is the term used to describe progressives.
No we don’t. We use that to describe democrats who pretend to lean left while being conservative in all but name. Actual progressives get called other things like anarchists, dirty commies, or unamerican.
Basically in the Midwest anyone who is not conservative/GOP is called liberal. From center to Marx himself, all libs. It is confusing being on Lemmy where classic liberalism is used.
Don’t forget the most damning and horrific title of “socialist”
Eh. If you’re in the know, then yes, you’re correct, but your average American probably doesn’t even understand that there’s any distinction at all, and so for those people “liberal” is the catch-all term for progressives.
If someone who actually understands politics calls me a liberal, I’m gonna protest. If my dumbfuck uncle calls me a liberal, I’ll let it lie, because that’s as close as he’s reasonably going to get to understanding my political views.
progressives understand the difference, not our fault the rest of the nation is uneducated,fuck it’s their fault schools are underfunded and refuse to learn
K
Just because someone is using a term with its own meanings and definition horribly incorrectly doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to perpetrate it.
My god, I’m merely explaining the original comment someone else made.
I know the pedantry is expected, but maybe we can take a step back and read intent before smashing faces into our respective keyboards?
The people this meme is talking about typically would not consider themselves progressive either. That it is a flavor of liberal
Take it easy on him – he can’t imagine anyone being further left than a ‘progressive’.
The rest of the world uses the actual dictionary definition. “America uses its own definition so that must be more correct” is pretty damn yankee
Never argued that it was more correct…
I’m merely explaining the original comment someone else made.
I know the pedantry is expected, but maybe we can take a step back and read intent before smashing faces into our respective keyboards?