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This thread is highlighting exactly why windows users think Linux is unusable - apt, pacman etc are all commands that require a minimal understanding of the terminal, and the average person does not have that. The answer isn’t “learn in your own time”, because that simply isn’t going to happen - they have no interest in the internals, how things work, they just want the end product.
Regular users just want it to update itself in the background or have a nice obvious “system update” button like Mint. The only thing they understand about “apt upgrade -u” is the word ‘upgrade’ - the rest might as well be ancient sumerian to them. Even remembering the short phrase is infinitely more complex than pressing a clearly labelled button. You will never convert a single user by trying to convince them to use any form of CLI over a GUI.
Oh, so you are from one of my favourite gangs - “terminal is scary and a no-go”. Okay, I am yet in a good mood, so
apt, pacman etc are all commands that require a minimal understanding of the terminal, and the average person does not have that
they don’t require that. “open terminal, type this incantation, press enter” requires zero knowledge of how any of that works. Also, “average person” is wildly different depending on where it is measured
Regular users just want it to update itself in the background
Bullshit. You ever seen threads of how windows users hate its forced updates fuckery?
The only thing they understand about “apt upgrade -u” is the word ‘upgrade’ - the rest might as well be ancient sumerian to them
So let it be sumerian. Only thing anyone cares about is they know how to use it
Even remembering the short phrase is infinitely more complex than pressing a clearly labelled button
First - bullshit. Second - “clearly labeled” my ass, because human language is not maths, any text can be understood very differently depending on a number of things
You will never convert a single user by trying to convince them to use any form of CLI over a GUI
That made me chuckle. Go on, give me more insights about my life, it is so funny
Let’s say “average users” are even willing to use the terminal. I feel like people running random commands and scripts found online would quickly give Linux a reputation for malware just as bad as Microsoft’s.
yes, the more popular Linux becomes, the more malware will be written for it, no doubt
how Linux is perceived is up to us as a community. There already are immutable distributions and filesystem snapshots, but will we advise them according to user’s needs or just send everyone new to Linux straight to Arch and arcane magic. The latter has been happening for ages now, but how big a phenomenon it is, I have no clue
One fun thing about Linux is that you always learn
I don’t want to learn. I have job to do.
You don’t learn things at your job? Damn, you must not be a good employee.
Learning OS wizardry is counterproductive. I have more important stuff to do.
So you don’t learn OS wizardry and don’t fuck around with working machine when there is stuff to do, duh. This doesn’t depend on OS in use
This thread is highlighting exactly why windows users think Linux is unusable - apt, pacman etc are all commands that require a minimal understanding of the terminal, and the average person does not have that. The answer isn’t “learn in your own time”, because that simply isn’t going to happen - they have no interest in the internals, how things work, they just want the end product.
Regular users just want it to update itself in the background or have a nice obvious “system update” button like Mint. The only thing they understand about “apt upgrade -u” is the word ‘upgrade’ - the rest might as well be ancient sumerian to them. Even remembering the short phrase is infinitely more complex than pressing a clearly labelled button. You will never convert a single user by trying to convince them to use any form of CLI over a GUI.
Oh, so you are from one of my favourite gangs - “terminal is scary and a no-go”. Okay, I am yet in a good mood, so
they don’t require that. “open terminal, type this incantation, press enter” requires zero knowledge of how any of that works. Also, “average person” is wildly different depending on where it is measured
Bullshit. You ever seen threads of how windows users hate its forced updates fuckery?
So let it be sumerian. Only thing anyone cares about is they know how to use it
First - bullshit. Second - “clearly labeled” my ass, because human language is not maths, any text can be understood very differently depending on a number of things
That made me chuckle. Go on, give me more insights about my life, it is so funny
Let’s say “average users” are even willing to use the terminal. I feel like people running random commands and scripts found online would quickly give Linux a reputation for malware just as bad as Microsoft’s.
Depending on what you mean: