But but but Linux is not user friendly or something! You can totally generalize like that!!! And nevermind the fact that windows often breaks in ways that require technical knowledge to repair. That doesn’t count for some reason!!!
I feel like this is specifically targeted at the one user posting stuff on the linuxsucks community
Oh shit, madthumbs is back? He’s always been a hilarious, but equally pathetic troll. I thought we’d lost him when he got all pissy and locked the community a year ago.
Wait, so he’s been at it for years now?
I’ve had his posts in my feed somewhat recently and I was kind of in awe of dude’s dedication to do full time posting on topic of Linux users having no life, but had no idea he’s been doing it for so long now. 🌚
If your whole identity, personality, community or social group is based on hating something then you should reevaluate how you spend your time. This is only marginally worse than making your whole personality being a fanboy for a specific brand/product. Things are there to help you do stuff, so get on and do that stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It has to be rage bait. It’s too funny not to be
It’s hilarious and the older ones especially are riddled with references you’d find in the linuxmemes comm
He did try, years ago, to post cynical but inoffensive memes. I’m pretty sure I had to suspend his account at some point. He’s also gotten himself banned from political communities for quoting holocaust deniers, using ableist slurs, and generally being a wanker. He’s also posted some antisemitic remarks on other communities. The modlog his quite colorful.
Does he also think number generators are the words of God and is working to build his own OS from scratch?
Wrong flavour of insane.
Does this actually happen, or is this an argument someone had in their head?
Seen it happen both ways.
I mean this goes both ways. Someone asks for help diagnosing an issue in windows and inevitably some snarky Linux user feels compelled to say something unhelpful.
Yeah as a huge linux fan we gotta be honest with ourselves 😅 we’re kinda fuckin insufferable at times
I think a lot of the technical folks who built the space made interpersonal skills kind of a dump stat- and to be fair, I benefit enormously from the technical ability they have in exchange for that lack of social skill. But it does define the culture of Foss spaces in a bunch of ways that aren’t the greatest 😅
It’s what convinced me to make a switch to Linux, two years ago by now.
I’ve seen it mentioned for years at that point. Did it feel annoying? A bit, especially when I was trying to solve something. But it was one post that pushed me over the edge. I’ve probably seen a lot posts/replies like that before.
I can’t say why, I guess the stars aligned, but I’m glad it happened. I probably wouldn’t do it, if it weren’t for years of constant reminders that Linux is in fact an option.
Yeah, and sometimes the solution really is just “stop using a garbage OS”.
Like maybe there’s a good reason why it’s such a common thing people suggest here
Yeah I think its a balancing act. That’s why with this kind of thing I prefer to just share my excitement with people without expectations that they wanna engage with it the same way I do
I think you can share what makes linux special and expose people to the idea without it needing to be badgering. Which I’m sure works for some folks who are open to the idea, but it also just fuels kinda tribalistic antagonistism and resentment in many cases
It took a long time for one of my friends and I to be able to have conversations about linux cause she got so burned out by the prosthelytizing she’d gotten previously that she was defensive, and I got defensive that I couldnt easily talk about the thing I’m excited about. I’m really excited that these days I can just tell her about the shit I think is cool without her feeling like I’m demanding something of her :) yesterday we had a lovely conversation about social media and the fediverse ☺️
It’s odd to me to be a fan of an OS. It’s the nuts and bolts needed to make a computer do things I actually care about.
I’m a fan of it for the way that it treats me with respect and represents the possibility of technology that isnt extractive and abusive. And as a ui nerd there is an element of the computing foundation that is exciting to me in and of itself :) I love seeing the different ui paradigms of different desktop environments and how they solve problems like making multitasking work well for users
But that just how I relate to it, it’s totally valid for the computer or os to be more of a means to an end for people :)
It’s the nuts and bolts needed to make a computer do things I actually care about.
So you mean like the OS? It’s literally the most important (software) aspect of the whole thing
I like where my car takes me. I have zero interest in its transmission.
You would care about (or at least pay attention to) the transmission if your car kept breaking down because of it. But unlike a car, on a computer you could relatively easy change out the OS with something else.
As always, the analogy between cars and computers are not one to one.
I would not suddenly take up a deep interest in transmissions, their workings, their manufacturers, which types are mechanically superior, subscribe to a transmission subreddit, argue with strangers about which ones are best, etc…
Again, you can’t compare a transmission to an operating system. And not everyone using Linux takes a deep dive into everything in there. But if your Ford kept having transmission issues you might go with a Toyota the next time - that’s what I meant about caring/paying attention
I’ve seen variations of a snarky “I never had this problem on Linux” one-liner comment so many times that I have to resist the urge to write “I never had this problem on Windows” every time I see a Linux user asking for help.
I’ll save you the trouble:
“Well linux is maintained by volunteers not a billion dollar multinational corporation that should have the budget to do that”
With a side of:
“That’s because windows got in bed with PC OEMs and contracted to be the ONLY preinstalled OS they can use years ago (when it also sucked less), so it became the standard, and now vendor lock in rears it’s ugly head, so the other multinational corporations cater to windows. Had any other OS done that you’d use that, you don’t like ‘windows’ itself you like vendor lock in.”
When I’m in a moving the goalpost competition and my opponent is a linux evangelist
Inevitably?
My friend, the MAJORITY of the comments will be unhelpful Linux snarks.
This wouldn’t be a problem if you used Linux.
If Linux works well for you I’m genuinely happy for you, but it’s incompatible with what I use a computer for so that’s mighty unfortunate.
I’m stuck with beating windows with a pipe wrench.
What’s your use case? Just curious
Playing video games and streaming video games. Sure plenty of video games are compatible with Linux. But plenty aren’t! Also you know some day to day software.
A lot of people who try to incite me to swap over are like “Yeah bro just abandon all the games you literally own a computer to play to swap to an unfamiliar OS”
There’s something to be said about the fact that I’m not super comfortable with doing everything with commands and am used to GUIs and have multiple decades working in windows environments and 0 with Linux. It’s not the world’s smoothest transition.
Note: I will now be blocking anyone else who tries to “Erm ackshuallly” me on this.
But plenty aren’t!
Just a pet peeve of myself and probably plenty of other Linux users/fans. This phrasing makes it sound like there’s way more incompatible games than there are.
Out of the top 1000 games on Steam only 21 don’t work on Linux. I personally wouldn’t call that “plenty”. And for most of those games, the devs actively chose to make the game incompatible with Linux and Proton.
I get that the games you want to play aren’t compatible, and that makes you not willing to use Linux. That’s good and valid, and I have nothing against that. It’s just annoying when people (usually accidentally) exaggerate game compatibility issues on Linux.
There’s something to be said about the fact that I’m not super comfortable with doing everything with commands and am used to GUIs
I’d like to add that this is somewhat outdated information. While there are some distros where you still need the CLI a lot (mainly server distros), many of the mainstream distros have enough GUI support that 99% of users don’t need to touch the CLI. I switched to Nobara a few weeks ago and I haven’t needed to use the CLI yet.
It’s not the world’s smoothest transition.
Another thing to note is that the transition doesn’t have to be a hard break. Many people dip their toes into Linux by dual booting. That being said, there’s some pitfalls, namely not keeping Windows and Linux on the same drive, since Windows has a habit of deleting the bootloaders of other OS’s during updates.
But, as I said earlier, it’s fine if you want to stay on Windows. I just want to clarify some misunderstandings you seem to have about Linux
Spot on, though I will admit, the gaming working as well as it does is a pretty recent development to be fair, and everyone (especially not people who don’t use linux) may not be up to date on that info.
Also to the CLI, sure you may not need it as much as you used to, it isn’t “doing everything with commands” anymore, but I’ll be honest claims of “never needing it” are often exaggerated on the other end. In reality, most linux users will still need to use it sometimes, varying by usecase and distro. To that end, I will say, before I switched myself this was the largest thing holding me back, but I’d heard it had gotten better, and windows was changing shit on me so often that I figured “if I’m gonna relearn X on windows every month I might as well just bite the bullet and learn linux instead.” I watched a few videos on youtube after searching “bash basics” and “linux terminal basics” and followed along like it was a basic computer class teaching use of Powerpoint, and within a couple hours (maybe three) I was not just “no longer scared” but almost comfortable in the terminal. Doing this has greatly improved my experience over the years of running linux and I recommend it to all newcomers even if you then still avoid it after, if just for a passing familiarity. Basically: “Only use sudo carefully, and always keep a backup of any important files, so if you do break your shit you only lose the time it takes to reinstall. Also you can use timeshift or snapper.” These days I’ll even open up a terminal inside of my GUI file browser sometimes, I love the CLI now.
As to dual booting, I like to recommend either if your laptop has two drives dedicate one to each OS, or if not, linux will run on a potato, if you or anyone you know is going to upgrade PCs because “it runs too slow,” no it doesn’t, that’s just windows’ bloat. Take the old HW for free or cheap and slap an appropriately weighted distro on it, then use it to learn while you still have your main, then when you realize how much better it is just switch your main over too, it’s free!
Arguably, the other stalls are all paywalled. So no, you can’t just walk away from Linux.
Linux will be eventually
Sure, variations of it will probably be. In the same way a fork of mastodon is used for Trumps truth social platform, despite it being a predominantly left application.
The key thing you’re not considering about open source is the lack of central governance. Ubuntu can decide to impose age checks, arch could decide it requires TPM setup, and fedora could choose to move to a licensing fee model. All would be independent decisions however, and only affect the respective distro and any built from it, yet they’re all called Linux.
Besides, with all open source applications, anything implemented can be reverted by someone else. The code is licensed publicly for this exact reason.