• baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de
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      in germany the apprenticeship system is very advanced and you can apprentice your way to a bachelor’s equivalent with further study to a master’s equivalent. that’s how most trades work here. apprentices do part time studying at a trade school and part time working the trade over multiple years simultaneously, with exams issued by the school and for example a chamber of industry. it’s very effective at turning students into effective workers, and if you find the right job you’ve got good prospects for a lifelong career, but obviously it does not teach you to doubt the system. of course there are also usually no “unnecessary” courses that would take away from an apprentice’s focus. i think it’s a decent balance, and you can always educate yourself on the state of the world in your free time.

      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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        That sounds really good. I didn’t have as much of a good experience with a government program, which consisted of the company giving me one example, then sending me right off to work, without giving a fuck if their products turn out well, or if I learn anything.

        Still working here, still don’t know most things, because asking gets you the low-skilled tasks.

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          with a master’s in carpentry you can start your own carpentry business. as a bachelor you’re only allowed to work in other people’s businesses. to get there you’ll have to pass wtitten and practical exams, for example building specific things to spec

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      We can value education without commodifying it the way we’ve done. In my opinion, the current system rewards diploma mills and devalues education anyways.

      I think education should be both inexpensive and completely voluntary, so that the only ‘reward’ for going to school is the knowledge you leave with.

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          Well if we’re imagining a better world anyways, why would anyone have three jobs?

          The current system creates luxury for some at the cost of creating poverty for others. I think the best course of action would be to stop doing that - then education could be about learning instead of about earning.

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      bro, even with education they are easy prey. There simply is no getting around the bell curve of humanity here.

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      As make educated people, because they can’t judge their education, neither before choosing nor after being formed.