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    Your continued conflation of personal liberty and capitalism is the core of your confusion.

    Liberal ideals don’t inherently protect private property rights, as the difference between private and personal property was not yet established.

    Liberal ideals protect the idea that you can own property as well, because before that everything (including your life) technically belonged to the king.

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      Liberal ideals don’t inherently protect private property rights, as the difference between private and personal property was not yet established.

      Entirely incoherent. The division of personal vs private property is an anti-capitalist concept and not part of liberalism at all. This is why liberalism has to be left behind, because it is inherently supportive of capitalist accumulation and all that comes with it. Acting like liberalism can include this distinction is complete historical illiteracy.

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        If the right to live life as you see fit is incompatible with anti-capitalism, then you have convinced me to defend capitalism. Not because I like capitalism, but because I don’t want my life to be dedicated to following orders.

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          If you want to stake out incoherent political idealism as a form of wishcasting, go for it. Just don’t expect material reality to conform to your delusions. Liberalism has no claim on “the right to live life as you see fit” though. It is indeed the ideology of slavery and colonialism, and continues its exploitative conquests under the guise of capitalism.

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            That is literally what liberalism is. The right to self determination, as opposed to the continued power structure of the monarchy.

            Now anti-capitalism…that there seems like some wishful idealism.

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              Wishful Idealism is when you realize the system that is killing every human being on earth needs to be replaced

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              That’s what it advertizes, sure. But that’s not how it actually functions in practice. Just look around with open eyes please.