Because they’re pussies who like to think that backing the stronger side makes them look/feel strong/right.
This smacks of ableism. It’s not these peoples fault they were born with a severe developmental disability.
Don’t make fun of them, just celebrate their trying by saying something like “Oh, wow, Billy! I can’t believe you learned so much about politics! You are very smart! Would you like a cookie?”
What do You want to know, they are paid trolls from moscow spreading propaganda.
The diplomacy for russia means surrender at least part of Ukraine, if not whole. Only rus wants to talk about that.
Funny that Russians and Republicans are indistinguishable now
I thought they were Nazis?
Yes
Who? Russians?
They certainly are fascist
They are using the Russian version of diplomacy. Gotta speak the lingo.
Fyi, Ukraine is trying diplomacy. They’ve succesfully (and rightfully) got Europe to support them. Not enough to get Russia out of Ukraine, but still.
I swear every time I hear the argument it’s from a right winger with no thinking ability whatsoever.
It always goes like this.
Them: violence is wrong! It’s never the answer. Me: so what about Ukraine? Should they simply let Russia take whatever? Them: They should sort it out diplomatically, of course.
I mean at this point the only viable solution is diplomacy. Europe didn’t do enough to prevent the war, and then didn’t do enough to punish Russia in the early stages of the war (no air support, slow deliveries). The frontlines haven’t been moving meaningfully for years.
So, at this point we either send soldiers to retake territory occupied by Russia, or we help negotiate a settlement. There’s absolutely no appetite for sending European soldiers.
Russia isn’t even claiming to be socialist
they are the most right wing country out there comparetively.
They don’t have to. It isn’t about socialism or being socialist. It’s about being anti-west. All else is optional to them.
Campism was a fucking mistake.
Western hegemony is brutal if you’re not part of the club. I wish there was a real path to breaking it up without replacing it with more of the same imperial shit.
No, but their fangirls think russia invading Ukraine is a “power move for socialism”. Never gonna forget that nugget.
It’s only imperialism when it comes from the imperial region of the USA. Otherwise it’s a sparkling revolution.
Unless it is sponsored by CIA, then again Imperialism TM
They like Putin for the same reason the MAGAts like Trump.
Brain damage
Fetterman is proof that Trump’s best strategy would be to ban helmets.
It’s not like people wear them anyway, even when riding on fast e-bikes and scooters. Out of the many I see every day, maybe 20% of the riders I see actually wear a helmet. They think they’re invincible until they have a serious accident. No grey matter to protect inside those skulls.
Ban abortion and give expectant mothers free cigarettes. Already halfway there.
Remove the restrictions against lead paint and leaded gasoline.
Yep, this is the nuclear method of dumbing down generations. The scary thing is I can see it happening.
A lot of bots that string actual humans along
The power broker that’s missing from the equation is the United States.
We’re willing to milk war to maximize business interests and returns, and this is no exception. Decisive victories and diplomacy alike run counter to that goal.
Currently getting trounced by Iran however is suggesting there is little actual power to broker anymore, outside of classic nuclear holocaust.
I’m sure if there were mass graves caused by Russia it would be on all the news cycles. Israeli mass graves in Gaza, on the other hand, are glossed over and never talked about again.
Instantantly grabbing for the whataboutism…
Just holding up a mirror to your face.
Russia has a long history of mass casualties and no mention in western media. The only change now is satellites and the internet. It’s hard to hide a mass grave from space.
Never said the genocide in Gaza wasnt happening, it is but so is the attempted genocide of Ukrainians.
Literally what is your point. We condemn mass graves in general.
Yes that is also horrible. No one is saying otherwise… what is your point??
False equivalence, saying this needs to be resolved diplomatically as soon as possible in order to avoid Ukraine losing even more negotiating power, inevitable economic and population collapse and fall into more Western debt for for the Russia-NATO proxy war does not support the Russian invasion and is objectively better for the average Ukrainian cause yes, war is terrible, Ukraine is caught in the cross fire of an inter-imperialist war, many socialists rightfully dismiss it to avoid taking the side of and escalate either NATO or Russia but of the average Ukrainian worker.
Lol, just lol. Ukraine arent “caught in the crossfire” they are the ones under attack. You betray your intent.
Yes, Ukranian soldiers are the meatgrinder for NATO to harm Russia in a forever war, you got my point!
Does that argumentative technique work for you usually?
Resolved by diplomacy is just a thin veil on Ukraine needs to capitulate and give Russia whatever it wants.
This isn’t Ukraine being caught in an inter imperial crossfire, they are being directly invaded.
Like imagine if someone made this same point about one of dozens of countries the US invaded. Like saying the Vietnamese should have just immediately surrendered to the US, or saying Iran should have just surrendered and given them whatever they want. You’d be out here calling the person a boot licker and rightly so.
It’s hard to do diplomacy when your opponent doesn’t even believe your country is real…
Some 65% of Ukrainians favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible.
Except that 65% number drastically shrinks if the terms are unfavorable to Ukraine (ceding territory, no international guarantees, etc.)
They had international guarantees already after they got rid of nukes.
We just broke the guarantees. Worthless.
Only Russia broke that agreement. The US & UK have upheld their end.
Hint, do you actually know what’s in it ? I suspect not
If the US and UK upheld their end, the Kremlin would have been bombed back to the stone age. But war in unpopular in the west, thanks to all the meaningless wars the US got into.
The US and UK did not contract to prevent the invasion of Ukraine or protect it from all comers.
They promised not to invade or to negatively economically coerce.
Russia brokethe Budapest memorandum. The US & UK did not.
Full details in the other reply
You don’t have to guess at the text of the Budapest Memorandum. I will link and quote it, it’s pretty short.
Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America,
Welcoming the Accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon state,
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces,
Confirm the following:
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the Principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
Ukraine, The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.
This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.
Signed in four copies having equal validity in the Ukrainian, English, and Russian languages.
Paraphrased more concisely, since Ukraine was giving up the nuclear weapons on its territory, Russia the UK and the USA agreed to respect Ukraine’s existing borders and sovereignty. They’re not allowed to use their weapons against Ukraine except in self-defense nor to use threat or force to damage Ukraine’s territorial integrity, and not to economically coerce Ukraine either. Obviously this part has been broken by Russia.
If Ukraine is attacked anyway then those parties are to seek immediate UNSC action. They did that, drafted a measure to reaffirm Ukraine’s territorial integrity and that the Crimean referendum held no validity, and although 13/15 of the states then on the UNSC voted in favor it didn’t matter because one of the permanent members vetoed it. Guess who.
Additionally no one is supposed to nuke Ukraine unless attacked by Ukraine in association with a state or states that have nuclear weapons. No one has nuked Ukraine.
Lastly, if Ukraine is attacked all powers are supposed to consult with each other about it. Indeed, there has been much consultation over the past more than a decade.
So technically it has been fulfilled (aside from Russia’s flagrant violation of it) since it was a very weak document in the first place. Actually, the US doesn’t technically even consider what little it does say to be binding because it was never sent to be ratified by Congress.
…Wait, then what the hell do the other 35% favor?
How is it possible to negotiate with Russia if they have broken all their past promises to Ukraine?
The number is meaningless, unless you also provide what kind of end you’re talking about
Only one quarter of Ukrainians are in favor of fighting till victory.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
Next time read the article before you link to it. You’re looking so foolish right now.
From the article, since no one is willing to actually quote it:
More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.
This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
The key word being “possible”. It takes two to tango