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What’s that saying about having all the accountability but none of the agency?
Side note: triaging doesn’t really imply a mandate for action. A teacher can make a note to follow up or mark a tardy slip without verbally repremanding the child on the spot.
To elaborate, I’ve consistently noticed a blind spot in lemmy when it comes to teachers and education. There is always a consistent failure to recognize the hard limits of available resources. The common wisdom here seems to be that a local tax base can support an unlimited amount of education spending, and that any problem in education can be solved by throwing more money at the problem. “Just hire more teachers” is the lazy zero-thought solution trotted out to any issue in education. I think it comes from lemmy’s left-leaning politics. Which is fine. But even socialists need to understand the concept of opportunity cost. Even if the economy was entirely state run, there are still hard limits on available resources.
There seems to be a great inability to recognize that teachers are actual human beings working very real jobs. And every time you tell a teacher, “the solution is to hire more teachers,” you are betraying the actual teachers. Because the teachers know they have to actually work around real-world limits in resources. And every time you tell a teacher, “just hire more teachers,” you’re indicating you are not seriously attempting to address the real challenges and limits of education. (I realize you didn’t explicitly say it, but your comment implies that resources are infinite.)
One thing teachers have to do is to design their classroom instruction and policies around the real limits of available resources, and that includes time. Often times you will deliberately write policies to require little investigation, simply because there aren’t enough hours in the day. For example, your suggestion was to follow-up after class, but that’s still time the teacher will have to spend litigating every excuse. If there’s five students late in each class, and you teach six classes, and it’s five minutes each? That’s two and a half hours of phone calls, just for one day’s tardies!
That obviously wasn’t the part I was responding to. There’s more than one point floating around this discussion. No need to take the bad faith approach and assume I’m responding to the blame issue. No need to be rude.
There’s no need to shame students. But I’m talking specifically about why schools have policies like this. Often you need to design policies so that blame isn’t assigned. Instead of litigating every late homework assignment, you except X number of late homeworks. Or you simply accept none and give opportunities for extra credit.
Teachers often have to design policies so that they don’t need to do a bunch of litigation. Instead you have blameless policies and simply have enough buffer that a few negative occurrences that aren’t the kid’s fault won’t affect their grade.
That obviously wasn’t the part I was responding to.
Then what were you responding to. The comment you responded to literally only said one thing, about talking to a child. So yeah, that is what you were responding to.
There’s more than one point floating around this discussion. No need to take the bad faith approach and assume I’m responding to the blame issue. No need to be rude.
No there wasn’t. You were the one that brought up everything else. The only thing being discussed was talking shit to a child.
But I’m talking specifically about why schools have policies like this.
Policies like what!?!? Blaming children?
Often you need to design policies so that blame isn’t assigned.
They asked who would say that to a kid. And I said any teacher that needs to run an actual classroom. Then I explained why so many teachers have policies like this.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with telling a kid, “sorry, I can’t dig into every excuse for every tardy and late homework. You get three free tardies and three free late homeworks. It’s ultimately your responsibility, and for unpredictable accidents, you’re covered.”
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with instructing students that they are ultimately responsible for their actions. There will be times in life where they simply have to be at a certain place and certain time.
What’s that saying about having all the accountability but none of the agency?
Side note: triaging doesn’t really imply a mandate for action. A teacher can make a note to follow up or mark a tardy slip without verbally repremanding the child on the spot.
To elaborate, I’ve consistently noticed a blind spot in lemmy when it comes to teachers and education. There is always a consistent failure to recognize the hard limits of available resources. The common wisdom here seems to be that a local tax base can support an unlimited amount of education spending, and that any problem in education can be solved by throwing more money at the problem. “Just hire more teachers” is the lazy zero-thought solution trotted out to any issue in education. I think it comes from lemmy’s left-leaning politics. Which is fine. But even socialists need to understand the concept of opportunity cost. Even if the economy was entirely state run, there are still hard limits on available resources.
There seems to be a great inability to recognize that teachers are actual human beings working very real jobs. And every time you tell a teacher, “the solution is to hire more teachers,” you are betraying the actual teachers. Because the teachers know they have to actually work around real-world limits in resources. And every time you tell a teacher, “just hire more teachers,” you’re indicating you are not seriously attempting to address the real challenges and limits of education. (I realize you didn’t explicitly say it, but your comment implies that resources are infinite.)
One thing teachers have to do is to design their classroom instruction and policies around the real limits of available resources, and that includes time. Often times you will deliberately write policies to require little investigation, simply because there aren’t enough hours in the day. For example, your suggestion was to follow-up after class, but that’s still time the teacher will have to spend litigating every excuse. If there’s five students late in each class, and you teach six classes, and it’s five minutes each? That’s two and a half hours of phone calls, just for one day’s tardies!
My dude, the assertion here is “there’s no need to be condescending to a small child for actions outside of their sphere of control”.
That obviously wasn’t the part I was responding to. There’s more than one point floating around this discussion. No need to take the bad faith approach and assume I’m responding to the blame issue. No need to be rude.
There’s no need to shame students. But I’m talking specifically about why schools have policies like this. Often you need to design policies so that blame isn’t assigned. Instead of litigating every late homework assignment, you except X number of late homeworks. Or you simply accept none and give opportunities for extra credit.
Teachers often have to design policies so that they don’t need to do a bunch of litigation. Instead you have blameless policies and simply have enough buffer that a few negative occurrences that aren’t the kid’s fault won’t affect their grade.
Then what were you responding to. The comment you responded to literally only said one thing, about talking to a child. So yeah, that is what you were responding to.
No there wasn’t. You were the one that brought up everything else. The only thing being discussed was talking shit to a child.
Policies like what!?!? Blaming children?
I think you must be a robot.
They asked who would say that to a kid. And I said any teacher that needs to run an actual classroom. Then I explained why so many teachers have policies like this.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with telling a kid, “sorry, I can’t dig into every excuse for every tardy and late homework. You get three free tardies and three free late homeworks. It’s ultimately your responsibility, and for unpredictable accidents, you’re covered.”
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with instructing students that they are ultimately responsible for their actions. There will be times in life where they simply have to be at a certain place and certain time.