With Reddit just announcing ai mods for sub reddits I think it’s finally time I fully give it up. I’ve been slowly trying to transition back into the fediverse but damn is it hard sometimes. Listen I have left leaning politics but does every other post have to be about some political shit on the all tab, I feel like I’m forced into this box that is my subscribed feed or I have to actively search out new communities because all is just a political circle jerk that I don’t care about. Not to mention the moment I came back I saw a fucking flow chart on the instances drama of the week. If I wasn’t so dedicated to dropping Reddit I think the average Joe would have left by now seeing all of this. And YES I have been trying to be the change I want to see if you check my profile I regularly post in meme subs non political just funny memes to be like “lmao” and people can move about their day. I’m not saying there ISNT other type of content on lemmy or piefed it just feels like the stuff that floats to the top is political
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Block users that seem extreme and it will clear up. Its like 10 people responsible for 95% of the posts.
You curate the content you see on your own, doesn’t have to be political if you don’t want to.
I suggest to use https://lemmyverse.net/ to find communities you like and keep the feed to subscribed, so you see them and them only.
this way, Lemmy is actually good, no algorithm, I choose what to see and that’s a beautiful thing.
I have been recently struggling to not go back to reddit after 3 years on Lemmy…
Almost everything I read here just makes my mood worse and the people are getting worse and worse. I really hoped it would work as a reddit alternative but it’s exactly the opposite.
After the reddit migration there was a sense of optimism and feeling that this platform could be something great. People were joking and interacting positively.
Then the I/P happened and agenda posting went crazy you had people attacking people where both people were on the same side of the issue. Its gotten consistently worse since then. I/p, Ukraine, Trump, AI its making people miserable and rightfully so. But I wonder what is needed for the path back to optimism and positive discussion.
The answer is extraordinarily simple, notwithstanding the fact that people refuse to hear it. It is called the Intolerance Paradox.
By allowing bullying and other toxic behaviors, we condone them and even amplify them further. Hey look, come join the Threadiverse, we have pics of cats here! Never mind the fact that for every such picture there are twenty pics saying how Western civilization must fall, so that Russia, China, and North Korea may rise!!
Just learn to block people bro! And then also learn to block instances! Except don’t do that! Also, you literally can’t bc the software merely claims that you can, but actually haha you cannot really! Then learn to use keywords, never mind that the software does not let you do that either!!
If people go someplace and constantly get punched in the face then… I for one do not blame them when they stop going there? Which leads to less content, and making this space even more of an echo chamber than it already is.
I agree completely.
I see some people below saying “curate your feed”. But this isn’t viable because:
- it takes too much effort, even for a statistically frequent user
- doesn’t work when you’re logged out
- and this is the most important part - I don’t want to curate myself into an echo chamber.
The problem is with the user base. The user base is extremely susceptible to low effort rage baiting. It’s full of immature kids and intellectually dishonest users.
Yeah, no matter your political leanings, you gotta approach the fediverse in reverse of the way reddit worked. Reddit, you went and subbed to the things you were interested in and only went to the all feed if you wanted random discovert.
With lemmy, piefed and mbin (or kbin, whichever is still in use), you have to default to the all feed because there’s only so much activity per community, which means discovery is much harder and your subscribed feed takes months sometimes to get filled in with useful things. It’s more efficient and enjoyable to spend the time pruning out the non enjoyed stuff from the all feed so that you have access to more things overall.
That’s helped by app that have filters. You can weed out a lot of bullshit just with keywords preventing specific topics coming up even in communities you are in.
The fediverse is more work on the user’s part to make work. I don’t consider that a bad thing overall, but it does make it hard for ex redditors (aka r/effugees) to on board, and can be confusing for total newcomers to threaded forums.
Tbh though, ten plus years ago, the initial reddit experience for a noob there was worse in many ways. Hell, outright hostile at times, if you were a noob that dared speak your mind against the zeitgeist of a given sub. At least here, you usually only run into that if you’re not fairly solidly leftist, or try to hate on linux. That’s much easier to deal with imo.
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They paused it in favor of other things like the new community one in .world (I think that’s where it is?).
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That’s the one!
https://sh.itjust.works/c/trendingcommunities@lemmy.cafe has a bot. I always forget how to make it crosspost, sorry about that.
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I could have sworn that it just posted last week. Oh well.
!fedilytics@piefed.zip does posts for community growth
Oh man I forgot about that one. Sad it’s inactive.
Lemmy was created because of Reddit censoring political content.
If you don’t wanna see political stuff go to a different website.
The above is not a value judgement. If I did not want to be exposed to the sun and the public then I wouldn’t go to a park. If I did not want to be exposed to loud car sounds and screaming fans I wouldn’t go to the racetrack. It’s okay that you don’t want to see political stuff (you should think critically about what you think is political and why). You don’t need to go to lemmy or any other fediverse thing. You can just be a Redditor.
lovingly, with approval and understanding go away.
even if I agree politics should be discussed more openly than what reddit allows, dude we need to make this space more welcoming, not telling people to go away.
I’ve been on lemmy since before it even federated, so I’m happy with the left-wing political and tech focused topics of discussion available.
That said, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to get away from monolithic social media and also want the sort of “non-political” content they are used to getting. There’s no reason they can’t do both, and I think we should encourage federated social media and direct people away from corporate social media at every opportunity. If people can comfortably get their memes and news and hobby discussions on the fediverse, that’s only a good thing. Ownership of that needs to be taken away from Reddit.
I just want to get away from self-righteous agenda posters. who are so indoctrinated they think everyone else is exactly like them and if they aren’t, they are terrible awful people.
it’s not even a political thing, there are many folks in hobby and other groups that approach life this way, trying to shove their opinions down everyone else’s throats and demonizing them for not agreeing, and/or playing the victim when someone pushes back against their shitty ‘i know better than you’ bullshit.
Listen I have left leaning politics but does every other post have to be about some political shit on the all tab,
Just every other? You must’ve spent quite some time filtering shit already, then.
You see, if you don’t like all the ragebait you are No True Leftist. Disagree with anyone at any time? Gotta hand that card in, bro, 'cause you’ve got to be some fascist or something. Or “shitlib” or whatever cringe terminology the tankies use. This may come as a shock to you but at least Random Angry Dipshit was kind enough to inform you about your entire political stance that you thought was something radically different. Neat trick, right? Aren’t you grateful? I know I am.
I feel like I’m forced into this box that is my subscribed feed or I have to actively search out new communities because all is just a political circle jerk that I don’t care about.
Correct! It’s also an unappealing and rather significant workload trying to find real activity on real communities on here to subscribe to, so /all is kinda it. Discoverability is garbage, one of many upshots of the way the federation gimmick was implemented.
Not to mention the moment I came back I saw a fucking flow chart on the instances drama of the week. If I wasn’t so dedicated to dropping Reddit I think the average Joe would have left by now seeing all of this.
I’m sure they mostly do, if they ever even learn of this place at all. That’s why it keeps being like this. Parts of the fedv are indistinguishable from satire or outright trolling - that’s not counting explicitly blatant troll instances like ml, gr*d and hb. I’d seriously thought some of the leftist infighting meme was… y’know, a meme… Or that “here, I disagree with this one thing you said and now you’re banned from X communities”, from people who spent the last sentence whining about Reddit moderators. (They are right in isolation, just big blubbering hypocrites.)
I’m not saying there ISNT other type of content on lemmy or piefed it just feels like the stuff that floats to the top is political
Engagementbait on a platform that isn’t even pushing “the algorithm” that way. Nifty, right?
It’s not going to change, or even get any less of a pain to try to curate unless tooling gets better. It won’t, because the Lemmy devs at least are tankie idiots who have no interest in making anything easy to curate (because then, the very first thing to go is their main shitholes for being blatant assholes to everyone except dictators)
Edit: on that note, instance blocks on ml, gr*d and hb are an absolute must
Fwiw, PieFed has mostly solved the discoverability issue. Here’s a neat trick: make a new account on PieFed.social (note that PieFed.World won’t work, since they haven’t bothered to flesh out their categories of communities) and go through the sign-up wizard. Browse for a week, and every time you see a community that you like, subscribe to it also in your Lemmy account.
Make sure to also check out not only your Subscribed feed, but also the categories of communities too. It opens up a whole new method of browsing content. I get literal and actual poetry posts (despite ~10 upvotes + 0 comments) occasionally crossing my Subscribed feed this way, and if I feel in the mood it’s fairly easy (even for you now without an account login needed) to see it at https://piefed.social/topic/arts-craft.
Lemmy has nothing remotely like this, even though I like its UI.
Some instances do curate the default communities. Programming.dev hides a number of communities by default:
https://legal.programming.dev/docs/hidden-communities/
Other instances may have similar policies.
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Yeah, the only way to enjoy lemmy is heavily, heavily curated. My community blocklist has over 300 entries these days …
To me that signals someone deeply in their bubble.
But sure, you have that option… Block me too, this comment is probably also too spicy. :)
some of us enjoy being a bubble of civil and sane folks, rather than extreme nutbags who fantasize about mass murder.
The somewhat recent Lindsey Graham death news was useful. The dude was an absolute scumbag, but everyone cheering his death and calling for the deaths of other politicians went right into the blocklist. I did some reading about it, and took the pulse of some younger people I know and it does seem that many (most?) Gen Z’s and younger Millennials generally feel that violence is the only solution to their perceived problems, with some even going as far as supporting retaliatory genocide in Israel. And that feeling of bloodthirsty revenge seemed prevalent. The notion of “two wrongs don’t make a right” is apparently old fashioned. Made me realize that my Xennial views are not very well aligned with the younger generations. Also makes me sad for the future, as I was hoping the foreign interventions and wars would eventually end and peace would prevail. Guess not.
What terrifies me, is yeah i see that in person all the time. Not just on the internet.
It’s revenge, and bitterness. I meet 30 year olds making like 200K a year who are steeped in bitterness they can’t afford a beach front mansion. A large part of it is pure entitlement and arrogance. Many young people think the world just owes them and they know better than everyone else and are completely delusional about how the world works. And often just spout meaningless cliche bullshit they know from social media rather than having any knowledge of history or any perspective with context.
And they encourage it in each other. I’ve seen so many awful groups at bars just dogging each other on the say the most heinous shit and openly declaring how they actively abuse and want to abuse and hurt other people. Then they basically think they are good people because they make posts on social media about how they support Trans people, and that justifies their thirst for blood or something. It’s insane. It’s like a collective psychosis.
And of course the irony is if you confronted them with the same violence that spouts out of their mouths, they will cry foul and play the victim. Because it’s OK for them to want to murder people, but they also see a cafe that doesn’t have oat milk as ‘abusing’ them.
The world is actively imploding. You desperately want to put your head in the sand, but you’re bored down there, so you now want to pull your head out and have the rest of us maintain your childish illusion while you ignore objective reality. Grow up and scroll beyond posts you don’t need
You’re also showing yourself as confidently ignorant as you’re angry, but also obviously aren’t filtering certain communities or keywords that your sensitive eyes can’t handle with your app. Again, grow up.
or they just want to avoid people like you. because you know, it’s insufferable to be lectured how you such by random strangers who just want to go on about catastrophe when most likely they are living a very cushy life, hence they need to be obsessed with politics in a wholly negative way, because that is the only major drama/tension in their life.
That’s all you have are insults? Grow up.