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Quick question (just interested here) I’m pretty new to Linux (for 3 days now if I remember correctly) but if you guys disallow scripts how does that work on sites like my own website? Mine doesn’t run any ads or trackers very conciously because i’m against it (and any type of commercialism, for that matter), however it does use a lot of script just in order to work.
This disabling scripts thing is really for hardcore privacy enthusiasts. Just install librewolf on your linux box, change the DNS on your router to block ads and you’re good.
The reason i say it’s for enthusiasts is that it will break everything as soon as you do it. And i mean it. The modern web is not useful without java script. Only websites designed specifically for working without javascript will still work.
This disabling scripts thing is really for hardcore privacy enthusiasts.
It also just makes things better. Javascripts tend to make for a worse browsing experience to me.
it will break everything as soon as you do it
Sites that don’t work without javascripts are broken sites. It’s not the lack of javascript functionality that causes them to break. They are in a broken state and should be updated to not rely on javascripts. Leaving scripts disables makes it clear which sites are broken and which sites are worth accessing.
The modern web is not useful without java script.
I disagree. The modern web is unusable with all the ads, trackers, captchas, and javascripts. The true modern web consists of the sites which don’t have all of those drawbacks. Mbin is a good example of what the modern web can and should be. It’s superior to all other fediverse instances I’ve known.
Only websites designed specifically for not working with javascript will still work.
Those are the sites worth accessing. ^^
Just install librewolf on your linux box, change the DNS on your router to block ads and you’re good.
Hi, question, my own website pretty much only uses JavaScript in order to correctly display a list of my blogposts without me having to manually update the html. I did really want a way to have this without JavaScript (or backend services like PHP, I’m still hosted by neocities). Is there?
I am actually less-knowledgeable than you on these kinds of things, as I’ve still not yet setup my own services and know next-to-nothing about the dev part of web-dev. I have no real experience yet. The things I know come from a user perspective. Sorry to disappoint.
It depends on the site. Some sites which leverage javascripts are still usable without the scripts. And there is a spectrum of usability. Lemmy is a good example. Most lemmy instances which are open to the public (without captchas or login) are generally usable without javascripts. Some features don’t work, but knowing the path to the page allows manually getting there without javascript buttons. So like, adding /?sort=TopHour to the end of a lemmy instance’s url sets the sorting for the page to top posts in the past hour. However, some other features don’t seem to work at all. But then there are lemmy instances which utilize mlmym, which basically replicates old reddit and works 100% without javascripts. And then there are instances like mbin, which is designed to be a modern fediverse experience which does not require any javascripts, and it works very well.
When I load a site, any site, if I get a blank page or a bunch of placeholders for javascript elements, I just close the tab and move on. Sometimes if I’m curious, I’ll switch from “Basic Page Style” to “No Style” (Alt+VYN) to see if there’s anything hidden beneath the surface.
I was kinda hoping lemmy would work on an Amiga because it doesn’t use any javascript, but sadly it doesn’t due to the “https” it can’t handle that. I just tested it.
I’m reading a lot of personal blogs that don’t use JS at all, or at least are still functional with JS blocked. A somewhat surprising amount of websites work without it.
The issue with JS is that while I assume that your use of JS is relatively minimal and you’re not malicious, I don’t know that, and even if you’re not actively malicious, your site might still be compromized by exploited JS vulnerabilities, site hacks or uninformed/negligent choices of third party libraries/plugins/CDNs (NPM is notorious for supply chain attacks and lots of otherwise alright sites include font CDNs or even analytics). I’m not super anal about not using any site that doesn’t work without JS, but having it off by default is definitely good practice and sometimes I do decide that I don’t want to see a site that badly.
Although I don’t have any illusions that my website can’t be hacked what I can tell you is that nothing on there is standard. Every single inch of my website is custom made by myself (graphics, code, music, everything) and since its closed off (there’s no posting on it, nor any SQL) I THINK its relatively safe. I do strive to do that, heck it doesn’t even write any cookies. (I did that deliberately since we have the cookie law around here, and I decided to go overboard and not have any cookies on AmigaCam at all, stateless)
I do agree with you though, I mean one can never be too safe.
The security issues are the reason that, if I do decide to enable javascript, it’s in a disposable whonix qube. Which is basically what the bottom left panel of the meme is describing. Whereas the bottom right describes my general lack of desire to enable it at all.
Quick question (just interested here) I’m pretty new to Linux (for 3 days now if I remember correctly) but if you guys disallow scripts how does that work on sites like my own website? Mine doesn’t run any ads or trackers very conciously because i’m against it (and any type of commercialism, for that matter), however it does use a lot of script just in order to work.
This disabling scripts thing is really for hardcore privacy enthusiasts. Just install librewolf on your linux box, change the DNS on your router to block ads and you’re good.
The reason i say it’s for enthusiasts is that it will break everything as soon as you do it. And i mean it. The modern web is not useful without java script. Only websites designed specifically for working without javascript will still work.
I use noscript extension and so every new site I access I have to whitelist it if I don’t find it too sus
exactly this, I’ve been using noscript for at least 15 years by now, probably longer. It’s annoying, sometimes. But it’s worth it always.
I wish there was a to crowdsource different filter rules. Like maybe have some that are like “safe sites where page is broken if js is disabled”
It also just makes things better. Javascripts tend to make for a worse browsing experience to me.
Sites that don’t work without javascripts are broken sites. It’s not the lack of javascript functionality that causes them to break. They are in a broken state and should be updated to not rely on javascripts. Leaving scripts disables makes it clear which sites are broken and which sites are worth accessing.
I disagree. The modern web is unusable with all the ads, trackers, captchas, and javascripts. The true modern web consists of the sites which don’t have all of those drawbacks. Mbin is a good example of what the modern web can and should be. It’s superior to all other fediverse instances I’ve known.
Those are the sites worth accessing. ^^
I do agree that this is good advice <3
Hi, question, my own website pretty much only uses JavaScript in order to correctly display a list of my blogposts without me having to manually update the html. I did really want a way to have this without JavaScript (or backend services like PHP, I’m still hosted by neocities). Is there?
A good option are static site generators like Hugo.
I am actually less-knowledgeable than you on these kinds of things, as I’ve still not yet setup my own services and know next-to-nothing about the dev part of web-dev. I have no real experience yet. The things I know come from a user perspective. Sorry to disappoint.
It depends on the site. Some sites which leverage javascripts are still usable without the scripts. And there is a spectrum of usability. Lemmy is a good example. Most lemmy instances which are open to the public (without captchas or login) are generally usable without javascripts. Some features don’t work, but knowing the path to the page allows manually getting there without javascript buttons. So like, adding
/?sort=TopHourto the end of a lemmy instance’s url sets the sorting for the page to top posts in the past hour. However, some other features don’t seem to work at all. But then there are lemmy instances which utilize mlmym, which basically replicates old reddit and works 100% without javascripts. And then there are instances like mbin, which is designed to be a modern fediverse experience which does not require any javascripts, and it works very well.When I load a site, any site, if I get a blank page or a bunch of placeholders for javascript elements, I just close the tab and move on. Sometimes if I’m curious, I’ll switch from “Basic Page Style” to “No Style” (
Alt+VYN) to see if there’s anything hidden beneath the surface.I was kinda hoping lemmy would work on an Amiga because it doesn’t use any javascript, but sadly it doesn’t due to the “https” it can’t handle that. I just tested it.
You could try hosting mlmym on a different PC in the same local network maybe? That would allow you to access it without needing HTTPS.
thats an awesome idea! thank you!
I’m reading a lot of personal blogs that don’t use JS at all, or at least are still functional with JS blocked. A somewhat surprising amount of websites work without it.
The issue with JS is that while I assume that your use of JS is relatively minimal and you’re not malicious, I don’t know that, and even if you’re not actively malicious, your site might still be compromized by exploited JS vulnerabilities, site hacks or uninformed/negligent choices of third party libraries/plugins/CDNs (NPM is notorious for supply chain attacks and lots of otherwise alright sites include font CDNs or even analytics). I’m not super anal about not using any site that doesn’t work without JS, but having it off by default is definitely good practice and sometimes I do decide that I don’t want to see a site that badly.
Although I don’t have any illusions that my website can’t be hacked what I can tell you is that nothing on there is standard. Every single inch of my website is custom made by myself (graphics, code, music, everything) and since its closed off (there’s no posting on it, nor any SQL) I THINK its relatively safe. I do strive to do that, heck it doesn’t even write any cookies. (I did that deliberately since we have the cookie law around here, and I decided to go overboard and not have any cookies on AmigaCam at all, stateless)
I do agree with you though, I mean one can never be too safe.
The security issues are the reason that, if I do decide to enable javascript, it’s in a disposable whonix qube. Which is basically what the bottom left panel of the meme is describing. Whereas the bottom right describes my general lack of desire to enable it at all.