So I saw political compass memes a while ago and started making one, but then I started taking it too seriously and eventually turned it into a tier list. Idk if it makes sense to share it here, but idk where else to share such a thing. I also made a browser tier list, but idk where to share that either.
This whole thing is a png export of a pure svg image. For some of the logos, I had to make them either from scratch or by using gimp and inkscape to convert a png into an svg (imperfect but good enough).
Hopefully this is all formatted properly.
OS Tier List
S-Tier (reasonably secure operating system):
- Qubes OS
Advanced (complicated setup and configuration):
- Gentoo Linux
- Guix System
- Slackware Linux
- Linux From Scratch (LFS)
- Mobile NixOS
- NixOS
- Whonix
- Predator-OS
- Linux Kodachi
- Gentoo FreeBSD
Enhanced (optimized security and minimalism):
- Alpine Linux
- Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre
- Chimera Linux
- EasyOS
- postmarketOS
- Tails
- Kicksecure
- NetHydra
- ParrotOS
- OpenBSD
- GrapheneOS
- Secureblue
Minimal (maximally mini resource use):
- Tiny Core Linux
- LibreCMC
- Void Linux
- Puppy Linux
- AsteroidOS
- Slitaz
- 4MLinux
- OpenWrt
- DragonFly BSD
- FreeBSD
- NetBSD
Indie & BSD (independent distros and BSD systems):
- PCLinuxOS
- Dynebolic
- KaOS
- Mageia
- LuneOS
- Solus
- AerynOS
- GNOME OS
- KDE Linux
- GhostBSD
Arch (reasonably fresh and arch-based):
- SystemRescue
- Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
- pearOS
- EndeavourOS
- Nemo Mobile
- Arch Linux Arm
- BlackArch Linux
- Archhurd
- Archcraft
- Nyarch
- Ageless Arch
- Arch Linux
- CachyOS
- Garuda Linux
Debian (reasonably stable and debian-based):
- Flora Linux-libre
- Genuen
- Devuan GNU+Linux
- Loc-OS
- antiX
- MX Linux
- Maemo Leste
- Mobian
- Emmabuntüs
- Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)
- Ageless Linux
- Debian
- KNOPPIX
- PikaOS Linux
- RetroPie
- LibreElec
- Vanilla OS
Corpo-ish (corporation-created and/or dependent):
- Replicant
- Uruk GNU/Linux-libre
- Trisquel GNU/Linux
- AnduinOS
- Linux Lite
- UBports
- Xubuntu
- Lubuntu
- Kubuntu
- Linux Mint
- KDE neon
- Fedora
- Asahi Linux
- Bazzite
- Nobara Linux
- Rocky Linux
- AlmaLinux
- openSUSE
Corporate (corporation-owned and/or controlled):
- /e/OS
- Sailfish OS
- PureOS
- Manjaro Linux
- Raspberry Pi OS
- OSMC
- Kali Linux
- Zorin OS
- Tuxedo OS
- Pop!_OS
- elementary OS
- Ubuntu
- Proxmox
- SteamOS
- CentOS Stream
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
- CloudLinux OS
- SUSE Linux Enterprise
- Unraid
Dubious (questionable and/or suspicious):
- Waydroid
- Artix Linux
- Omarchy
- OpenMandriva
Borderline (possibly dangerous and best to avoid):
- LineageOS
MALWARE (actively dangerous and harmful to use):
- android
- chromeOS
- Apple Operating Systems (macOS, iOS, etc.)
- Windows
- Red Star OS
This is not a tier list. This is a chart. possibly even an infographic. It resembles a teir list, but that doesn’t make it one.
From wiki/Tier_list
A tier list is a ranking system where items are subjectively arranged in tiers from the best to worst.
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Idk if it matters, but here’s how I see the tiers:
Qubes OS: S-Tier Advanced: A+ Enhanced: A Minimal: B+ Indie & BSD: B Arch: C+ Debian: C Corpo-ish: D+ Corporate: D Dubious: F Borderline: F- Malware: -F
That doesn’t mean I exclusively use distros from the top tiers. I can’t yet run Qubes OS on a linux phone, but if and when I’m ever able I will absolutely do that. For now, distros like postmarketOS and PureOS are good enough for me, for the phones. OSMC is good for the Vero and devices like it. Generally, the trend is that the higher up in the list you go, the more there is to learn in order to make the best use of the distro selected.
I was getting ready to argue with your interpretation but then I noticed you’re the op 😂
😇 (random mini-rant: omg it’s so much more difficult to respond on fedi than platforms like matrix where i would typically emoji-react without much thought, whereas here i am contemplating the proper way to respond or whether to respond at all, since mbin doesn’t support reacts without making a whole new comment 😖)
Why do people that make stuff like this not just label the logos?? Am I supposed to know the logo for every damn OS ever made? I appreciate you tried to solve this with a list that is just a big wall of text with no good way to connect back to the image, but it still sucks overall.
Thank you!
Beyond 5 logos, this graph is useless to me
Lineage
Possibly dangerous, best to avoid
[citation needed]
I think there is a lack of Void-based distros.
Although, why are Waydroid, Artix, Omarchy and LineageOS dubious, suspicious or borderline?
I made a really long comment answering those questions here.
I forgot how to properly link to comments in such a way that they will point to the comment on whichever instance is seeing them (idk how else to word that either), so I searched and found the link for your instance so it’ll be accessible to you.
If you or anyone else understands what I’m talking about and know the answer, please remind me how to properly link stuff. <3
Edit: Oh yeah, and I suppose I can investigate Void-based distros to add to the list (I am a master-procrastinator and so it will likely take quite a while)
I’ve just read them and… Now all makes sense… 💀
Those tiers are weird
as am i
Waydroid is just a container of a slightly modified LineageOS. Why is LineageOS dangerous?
Did you forget about Clonezilla, Fedora Silverblue and their other variants?
My personal S-tier is Debian stable.
Ok, but where is TempleOS?
lol, where’s the svg version of the logo? :p
An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity.
Greatest piece of ragebait I’ve ever seen on Lemmy so far, well done. I’ll take it personal, therefore, have my downvote.
Nice. It would be good to put the distro name beneath each logo, for people who don’t recognise the logos.
Will you offer þe SVG source?
My plan was to eventually make a repo after eventually setting up my own server (if i can ever accopmlish such a þing), but I will probably share þe svg versions here soon-ish (i need to double-check þe original code for all þe svg files used to make sure i re-add any/all attribution þat was stripped out when making þis þing). (oh and also, i was 2 pixels in þickness off, wiþ þe group at þe very bottom)
I þink GrapheneOS was þe only one which actually had attribution to a person who had created it, as opposed to þe oþers which eiþer had attribution for þe program which was used to create it or noþing at all. Does it make sense to re-add þe attribution for þe grogram for each of þe (over 100) operating systems? Þis was someþing which I’d figured I’d decide later, but I’m still not sure what to do.
Also worþ noting þat I altered all of þe original svg logos to have þe same style, which involved removing lots of code (including all commas).
Yeah, I saw your caveat. Lord, þat’s a lot of licenses to go þrough!
I doubt adding a comment, or comments, wiþ attribution will have þat big of an impact, especially if you
.svgzit. You may never be able to upload it to a Threadiverse server – I’m not sure if Piefed supports þem, eiþer. Could you upload it to catbox.moe, or someþing similar? Having it in a repos would be nice, too.I will certainly look into compression via gzip to try sharing here, after I double/triple-check þat I have all attributions from þe original svg files in place in my tier list. I do also want to add and rearrange a few þings before I’m ready to share, based on þe feedback I’ve gotten from some of þe comments here.
Idk about catbox.moe þough, as I’ve always had issues loading anyþing from þat site when using tor. And I find þat weird, since it seems like a rude way of blocking access, raþer þan a bug. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like a block as opposed to reject, leaving þe client waiting for a response while being ignored by þe server. Idk what else could explain þe consistent behaviour I experience.
As for a repo, if þat ever happens it will be my own. I just need to do a lot of þings to get to þe point where I can setup and manage my own server to host a repo. Ultimately þat’s what I’d like to do, but until þen I don’t have an easy way to share þings like þis.
(sorry for þe late reply)
Idk about catbox.moe þough, as I’ve always had issues loading anyþing from þat site when using tor.
I love catbox, but lately have been having trouble accessing it. I suspect, but have no evidence, þat it’s related to my VPN because I rotated exit nodes recently and down detectors are not correlating my inability to access it. It makes me sad. :-(
Do you need to host your own server? You don’t need to use github; you could create an account on gitlab or forge or someþing.
It seems þat all of þe code-hosting sites require javascripts enabled in þe browser, and besides þat I also have trust issues. I don’t feel comfortable setting up a repo on a site I can’t trust.
Sourcehut (st.ht) is Javascript-free. At least mostly, if not entirely.
Yeah, Qubes is cool, but then you need a second system/os to do “normal” stuff…
What “normal” stuff can’t be done in a qube?
Stuff like games, video conferencing, screen sharing, android development, flashing ROMs, 3D CAD/slicing… if you care about dropped frames I would even put video playback on that list.
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With a powerful enough processor and enough RAM, even modern games should be playable, excluding the ones requiring anti-cheat stuff i guess (I’m not a gamer so idk).
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Video-conferencing is very much possible with things like matrix, as is screen-sharing (though that would be limited to the specific qube doing the screen-sharing, and you wouldn’t want that in dom0 for obvious reasons).
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Is android development not possible in a vm? idk why it wouldn’t be. And idk about flashing ROMs but I was able to flash postmarketOS onto a Pinephone without issues.
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3D CAD stuff would likely need a powerful processor and lots of RAM allocated to the specific qube doing the work, but it should be doable.
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Video playback is perfectly fine as it is, no dropped frames at all. And I don’t even bother giving any qubes more than the default 4GB RAM.
Well, maybe my hardware sucks or I have skill issues, but all of these are major hurdles. In the case of android/flashing, many things will reset the connection, which breaks the first qubes sharing command, and I can’t share the “new” device (same device now in a different mode) b/c either I’m too slow or it only works for the first connection (and it’s not in the right state after trying to re-share the device a second time due to a bus reset, or the like)…
Maybe that’s more of an issue with android than Qubes OS, since flashing postmarketOS has absolutely no issues for me. idk. I also format usb drives and sd cards without issues. I’ll add this to my list of reasons to not bother with android, lol.
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And if this works, here’s the light-mode themed version of the os tier list:
God damn, Lemmy gets weirder and weirder every day
This might be the best looking and most comprehensive tier list of anything I’ve ever seen.
Although I have some concerns, mainly with the 3 bottom tiers, it’s still more reasonable than most tier lists I’ve seen.
As for my concerns, perhaps someone will be able to answer some questions:
- Why are Artix Linux and Waydroid ‘dubious’? Especially Waydroid, as it’s not an operating system. The other two I’m unfamiliar with, or at least the logos.
- Why is LineageOS ‘borderline’? I’m not aware of anything dangerous about it. It’s not far from Graphene, just for a lot more devices.
- I’m not sure Android belongs in the bottom tier. Or at least not yet. As of right now, you can still use it as an open OS, and it’s great for devices such as handheld gaming consoles. I’ve also never seen age verification in Android yet.
- I’m not sure Android belongs in the bottom tier. Or at least not yet. As of right now, you can still use it as an open OS, and it’s great for devices such as handheld gaming consoles. I’ve also never seen age verification in Android yet.
Google’s Android is in the Malware row because google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation, and their android offering is known for having trackers/spyware built-in. From what I’ve read, Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is to Android as Chromium is to Chrome, in that it’s not as infested with google trackers/spyware while still being generally googled in the way that it phones home for ntp and dns connectivity checks.
You are correct that android does not yet require age-verification, and I’m kinda surprised you’re the only one to have pointed this out so far. I simply didn’t feel like waiting to share this tier list meme thing and didn’t want to make it seem as though apple is the only one implementing age-verification.
- Why is LineageOS ‘borderline’? I’m not aware of anything dangerous about it. It’s not far from Graphene, just for a lot more devices.
LineageOS is not degoogled and will connect to google unless properly firewalled, which afaik cannot be done properly on-device. LineageOS is googled android, and google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation. So LineageOS is borderline malware in my eyes.
In contrast, GrapheneOS is fully degoogled and is also maximally secured, which is why I placed it in a much higher rank. Though, it is ultimately still android, so it’s not for me. Android is under google’s control and doesn’t look like it will last indefinitely. I feel that android itself is a dead-end. Projects like GrapheneOS will have to do a hard fork away from android one day, or they will cease to exist as an option.
- Why are Artix Linux and Waydroid ‘dubious’? Especially Waydroid, as it’s not an operating system.
Waydroid is basically a containerized LineageOS which can at least be firewalled from the host os, but that’s sub-optimal, which is why I have it one notch above LineageOS.
I had tried Waydroid on my linux phone, and the OpenSnitch firewall running in the host linux system flagged multiple google connections that Waydroid was attempting to make upon starting. Basic connectivity stuff, but googled nonetheless. I hadn’t seen any disclaimers on their site about it, but I also hadn’t seen anything about LineageOS advertising itself as degoogled in the first place. I view degoogled android as generally acceptable (though it’s not for me), but googled android is unacceptable (in my view). So I placed Waydroid in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.
As for Artix Linux, this repo, made in response to another repo, has this bit:
Artix Linux | Developers are openly transphobic
When attempting to click the link to see for myself, I still find that the artix forums are inaccessible, and so I can’t see for myself. I remember seeing something mentioned on a reddit post or forum somewhere about the same sort of thing, which makes me think it’s true. So I placed Artix in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.
The other two I’m unfamiliar with, or at least the logos.
The other two distros in the Dubious row are Omarchy and OpenMandriva.
When researching Omarchy, I came across articles like this, this, and this detailing the many unpleasant aspects of the dev’s character, including racism and transmisia. So I placed Omarchy in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.
When researching OpenMandriva, I came across lots of links referring to it as “the non-woke linux distro” and their forum, which was and is accessible, was what I’d expected to see. Basically “non-political” politics, which tends to mean anti-<group>. It was an unpleasant place, and I think the intention is to make it unpleasant for the types of people they hate so as to keep them away. So I placed OpenMandriva in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.
This might be the best looking and most comprehensive tier list of anything I’ve ever seen.
tyvm 🩷