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It’s absolutely awesome, I do wonder how we eventually deal with the flood of very sensible vaccines though. Like, of course we can poke children a lot in the first 12 years of their life and probably also combine a few of them like we did before, though there also are a metric fuckton of things mRNA vaccines are possible against. Poking children once every week sounds, uh… complicated.
(Don’t get me wrong, I want a world where THAT is our problem)
Many of the new mRNA vaccines, especially those against cancer, aren’t usable that way anyways, e.g. from the article:
individually tailored to target a patient’s unique cancer mutations
So you get those, when you already have the disease, the reason it’s called a vaccine is because it’s making your immune system fight it instead of directly acting on the cause
That may well be the more correct term, I’m not in a medical profession, just read some articles about it (and news are usually not great about terminology). But as someone in another thread wrote, they’re calling this one a “neoantigen therapy” to avoid triggering RFK 🙄
HPV vaccines (stops cervical cancer) are a thing here for girls and they don’t get them until they’re 12. They just go around the schools. This seems like it could be done later too, maybe at the same time.
The vaccine schedule for kids is already pretty hefty. I can’t remember how many times we had to get them to the doctor but it felt like a lot when you’re already frazzled.
Boys should really get it too, they can transmit the virus causing the cancer… I think in Germany they just did a marketing campaign about this recently to push vaccination rates among men.
True the schedule was already quite a thing, though it probably felt like more than it was. Perhaps they find a way to administer the mRNA vaccines orally like with the old polio one (but this time safely!), that way you could perhaps “sneak” it into a piece of candy or sth.
Many of the cancers it prevents can be gotten regardless of sex. Among the cancers are throat and colorectal.
Also prevents genital warts, which aren’t dangerous (HPV either will cause warts or cancer depending on the strain), but like, you can ensure you don’t get genital warts
For comparison: the UK initially concluded the cost-benefit ratio was in favour of girls-only HPV vaccination, but IIUC updated this assessment and offered it to boys too after a public campaign by Jaime Winstone.
Vaccinating everyone in the UK against everything for which vaccines are available (even against diseases with very low risk in the UK) would cost so much that the NHS would have to cut treatments with very high benefit-to-cost ratio.
Therefore, below a certain benefit-to-cost threshold, the UK has no reasonable choice except to withhold public funding. The HPV vaccine for boys was right on that threshold. IMO, the UK did the right thing by funding the clear benefit (HPV vaccine for girls, whose risk was significantly higher per existing evidence) and extending it to boys when additional evidence showed it was worth doing so.
Functionally this is a non issue. The wording of the order says “once available” which is key language. There simply isn’t a separate vaccine commercially available for these diseases. To develop such a thing would take years, like possibly a decade, and no pharmaceutical company has any interest in spending a ton of money developing unnecessary vaccines that could easily become moot once political power shifts to someone that recognizes rfk led policy is utter nonsense. This doesn’t even mean a shift to Democrat power or a third party, there are several republican senators and congress members that are physicians and vocally oppose this shit
The modified schedule is more of a threat, though it is being fought in court. The biggest issue from this administration (in this regard) is likely going to be erosion. The modified schedule getting to exist as an option for people to choose against aap recommendations, relaxing school requirements, etc that continues this pattern of “worst x outbreak in decades” (currently measles) because it affirms the desires of ignorant morons that think an extremely minimal risk of relatively minor side effects outweighs potentially fatal disease and also simply do not understand or care about the protection of those around them who are in far more danger (infants, cancer patients, people with autoimmune conditions, etc)
Luckily I’m from Europe, we’re not yet ruled by demented pedos.
Indeed I thought about the MMR vaccine when I mentioned combining some. Though the side-effects can hit some children quite badly, still better than the illnesses.
At least for respiratory vaccines, nasal inhalation might be a future way of reducing pokes. I think I saw early research saying its more effective as its where the problem is, but that getting both might be better than one or the other still.
It’s absolutely awesome, I do wonder how we eventually deal with the flood of very sensible vaccines though. Like, of course we can poke children a lot in the first 12 years of their life and probably also combine a few of them like we did before, though there also are a metric fuckton of things mRNA vaccines are possible against. Poking children once every week sounds, uh… complicated.
(Don’t get me wrong, I want a world where THAT is our problem)
Many of the new mRNA vaccines, especially those against cancer, aren’t usable that way anyways, e.g. from the article:
So you get those, when you already have the disease, the reason it’s called a vaccine is because it’s making your immune system fight it instead of directly acting on the cause
Oh, weird. I thought those ran under the name immunotherapy.
That may well be the more correct term, I’m not in a medical profession, just read some articles about it (and news are usually not great about terminology). But as someone in another thread wrote, they’re calling this one a “neoantigen therapy” to avoid triggering RFK 🙄
HPV vaccines (stops cervical cancer) are a thing here for girls and they don’t get them until they’re 12. They just go around the schools. This seems like it could be done later too, maybe at the same time.
The vaccine schedule for kids is already pretty hefty. I can’t remember how many times we had to get them to the doctor but it felt like a lot when you’re already frazzled.
Boys should really get it too, they can transmit the virus causing the cancer… I think in Germany they just did a marketing campaign about this recently to push vaccination rates among men.
True the schedule was already quite a thing, though it probably felt like more than it was. Perhaps they find a way to administer the mRNA vaccines orally like with the old polio one (but this time safely!), that way you could perhaps “sneak” it into a piece of candy or sth.
Many of the cancers it prevents can be gotten regardless of sex. Among the cancers are throat and colorectal.
Also prevents genital warts, which aren’t dangerous (HPV either will cause warts or cancer depending on the strain), but like, you can ensure you don’t get genital warts
Yeah I’m not sure what the reasoning is behind not giving it to boys but it’s not part of the national vaccine schedule.
Cost-benefit is the likely reason.
For comparison: the UK initially concluded the cost-benefit ratio was in favour of girls-only HPV vaccination, but IIUC updated this assessment and offered it to boys too after a public campaign by Jaime Winstone.
I have to wonder if vaccinating just some part of the boys’ population would have a higher benefit/cost ratio. Or vaccinating only in bigger cities.
Every time such a calculation is made they should be forced by law to publicize the calculated worth of a humans life and/or health.
In the UK at least, decisions and rationale about which vaccinations and treatments should be publicly-funded via the NHS are published quite transparently. For example: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/story/preventing-cancer-extending-vaccination-boys
Vaccinating everyone in the UK against everything for which vaccines are available (even against diseases with very low risk in the UK) would cost so much that the NHS would have to cut treatments with very high benefit-to-cost ratio.
Therefore, below a certain benefit-to-cost threshold, the UK has no reasonable choice except to withhold public funding. The HPV vaccine for boys was right on that threshold. IMO, the UK did the right thing by funding the clear benefit (HPV vaccine for girls, whose risk was significantly higher per existing evidence) and extending it to boys when additional evidence showed it was worth doing so.
A lot of vaccines are combined. MMR and DTaP, for example, were probably two you got as a child.
Both separated via recent executive order.
Functionally this is a non issue. The wording of the order says “once available” which is key language. There simply isn’t a separate vaccine commercially available for these diseases. To develop such a thing would take years, like possibly a decade, and no pharmaceutical company has any interest in spending a ton of money developing unnecessary vaccines that could easily become moot once political power shifts to someone that recognizes rfk led policy is utter nonsense. This doesn’t even mean a shift to Democrat power or a third party, there are several republican senators and congress members that are physicians and vocally oppose this shit
The modified schedule is more of a threat, though it is being fought in court. The biggest issue from this administration (in this regard) is likely going to be erosion. The modified schedule getting to exist as an option for people to choose against aap recommendations, relaxing school requirements, etc that continues this pattern of “worst x outbreak in decades” (currently measles) because it affirms the desires of ignorant morons that think an extremely minimal risk of relatively minor side effects outweighs potentially fatal disease and also simply do not understand or care about the protection of those around them who are in far more danger (infants, cancer patients, people with autoimmune conditions, etc)
Luckily I’m from Europe, we’re not yet ruled by demented pedos.
Indeed I thought about the MMR vaccine when I mentioned combining some. Though the side-effects can hit some children quite badly, still better than the illnesses.
The Church begs to differ
They said “not ruled by” not “don’t exist”.
Church holds no power in most countries these days.
You’d be surprised how effective it can be at swaying their lambs to vote certain way.
Maybe in the USA, here it’s once a decade in one country about one thing lol.
At least for respiratory vaccines, nasal inhalation might be a future way of reducing pokes. I think I saw early research saying its more effective as its where the problem is, but that getting both might be better than one or the other still.