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IDF’s claims that Hamas committed mass rape and/or used rape as a weapon on October 7th have never been substantiated. Unlike the IDF themselves.
The one that lobs rockets to the other on a daily basis?
that’s still the IDF.
You’re comparing a few primitive rockets with no guidance systems a week to a systematic genocide deliberately targeting civilians including children and somehow arriving at the former being worse.
However its not like jews are the grand evil
Nope, “the jews” aren’t “the grand evil”.
The state of Israel, on the other hand, is a fascist apartheid state that has been inherently and enthusiastically genocidal for 80 years and categorically denies all responsibility for its countless atrocities
and were never attacked b4.
“Those who make peaceful resistance impossible will make violent resistance inevitable.”
– JFK, edited to fit
That’s also why most of the international community shuts up about this
No. Geopolitical mafia methods from the US, Germany, the UK, and other allies of the fascist apartheid regime is why most governments don’t dare point out the absurdly obvious.
They dont have a solution.
They have several, but all of the good ones require that Israel recognize that Palestinians are humans and act accordingly, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Of course as an artist you can point out problems without having the solution
That’s literally the job of any political art.
When Picasso painted Guernica, nobody asked him to propose terms for a cease fire.
Because that would be ridiculous.
Its easy clout for them.
Yeah, having some of the most powerful people in the world doing their best to take away your livelihood because you object to genocide is SUCH an easy mode grift! 🙄
Another reason to not like “taking sides” is avoiding potential aggravation of fans agains local jews
Again with the antisemitic conflating of “Israeli war criminals and other Zionists, most of which are Evangelical Christians” and “all jews” 🙄
Its the responsible cowardly and complicit thing to do.
Yeah, that’s why evangelical Christians are so gung ho for the Apartheid state:
the biblical prophecies they take literally require all Jewish people to be in the area at the time of Armageddon so that most of them can be converted to Christianity and the rest can be slaughtered.
They murdered concert goers too. There were hundreds of vehicles in the area of the music festival that had the roofs smashed downward by explosives from above. Hamas had no capabilities to inflict that kind of damage on those vehicles. It was reported by IDF officers that the Hannibal Directive was used to justify “shooting anything that moves” in the area that included the festival, and 14 attack helicopters fired all their munitions and resupplied and continued shooting at vehicles on that day. There were also attack drones used for similar strikes on vehicles in the area with missiles. There are also the reports of IDF tanks being order to shoot at homes in the area that contained captives. The IDF are likely responsible for many of the deaths of Israelis and festival goers.
Nof Erez, a former senior Israeli Air Force official, said that a "mass Hannibal Directive” was employed that day.
“There was crazy hysteria,” one source told Haaretz. “No one had a clue about the number of people kidnapped or where army forces were.”
Heavy Israeli fire was also aimed at a fence between Israel and Gaza. At first, soldiers were instructed that "no vehicles should be allowed to re-enter the Gaza Strip”, according to a security source who spoke with Haaretz. Then an order was issued to “turn the fence area into an extermination zone”. At night, an order was given to "open live fire at anyone approaching the area [the fence]”.
In April 2024, the Israeli army published its findings regarding the death of Israeli hostage Efrat Katz. The report stated: “During the battles and the airstrikes, one of the combat helicopters that took part in the fighting fired at a vehicle containing terrorists - and which, in retrospect… also contained hostages… most of the terrorists operating the vehicles were killed as a result of the shooting, and apparently Efrat Katz.”
The Israeli army also fired at a house at kibbutz Be’eri, where Hamas fighters were holding 15 Israeli hostages. Barak Hiram, a brigadier general, said in an interview with the New York Times in December that he ordered tank shells to be fired at the house as negotiations were now over. “Break in, even at the cost of civilian casualties.” Only two hostages survived.
But no, let’s not talk about the slow rolling genocide ongoing since the end of WWII, we have to look at one little event in the last decade and pretend it’s the start of the problem.
Fuck Israel and anyone who supports them. Especially through this mealy mouthed ‘both sides are at fault’ horse shit.
Basically both are committing it at this point. Just Israel has more firepower through USA. Things would look worse if it was the other way around. See oct 7 to get a glimpse of that reality. Or Afghanistan to taste unchecked islamism hamas wants to implement.
Yes, we just found out that Netanyahu probably knowingly let it happen, seemingly to stay out of prison, and kick the long, slow genocide into a higher gear. Israel never wanted peace, that’s why Netanyahu helped create and fund Hamas. It wants the land, without the people of Palestine living there.
Shema Yisrael, most of the “Local Jews” I know, think it’s very clear Israel has gone way beyond what’s reasonable or justifiable and are sick of being tarred with blood libel by people using their names to defend the Israeli genocide. They’re also sick of being ghettoized by loud, wealthy zionists who are acting as anti-semitic against the diaspora as some of the the actual anti-semites.
Hamas isnt eradicated. You’d just see the same shit happen every 3 years. Of course israel went beyond whats morally acceptable but thats what ed sheeran agrees on. Both sides.
And you just added another hundred years to how many times it will happen every 3 years. You cannot kill your way out of this. You will only make more threats.
“The (UN) inquiry commission said Israeli authorities had not allowed its team to access victims, witnesses, the sites of the attack, or evidence related to rape, sexual torture or sexual mutilation.”
“The commission said it had “not been able to reach a definitive conclusion” as to whether rape, gang rape, sexual torture or genital mutilation occurred because it hadn’t been able to talk to survivors or witnesses or access the places where the attacks took place. The report added that Israeli authorities had actively “obstruct[ed] the Commission’s access to information related to sexual violence” by not responding to requests for information or calls for testimonies, or by banning medical doctors from talking to the commission because they cited distrust about the commission’s intentions towards Israel.”
Tldr no evidence of any rape, Israel actively blocked UN attempts to gather evidence of it and at least two rape claims have been completely debunked.
u/Waterpumpee: this is a well worn path for what used to be western civilization, and enshrined in the UN charter than Israel and the US both signed. Using violence for self defense has to satisfy 3 ideas for it to be legitimate. (1) You have to have honestly exhausted peaceful means. (2) It has to be due to a real threat rather than an imagined one, and (3) it has to be proportional.
Palestinian civilians were never a threat.
Nor were all peaceful means exhausted by Israel. They never honored what deals they made, going all the way back to partition, and they assassinate negotiators and journalists as a policy.
And even considering Israels framing of Palestinians as a unified block-- where all Palestinians are somehow hamas killers, which is obviously a bankrupt racist idea and a war crime-- the violence leveled on Palestinians for the last 80 years has never been proportional to what Israel was then answered with. Israelis prided themselves on a 10-1 or 100-1 ratio of victims. If a kid throws a rock they kill the whole family.
Palestinians have a legitimate right to self defense and Israelis just dont have a leg to stand on in terms of a justification for using force. they really never have since the first 5 minutes of Israels existence when they launched the Nakba displacing 100s of thousands and murdering like crazy. Israelis are terrorists. Its really that simple, and the logic of it really cant be disproven.
The western world should be boots on the ground there, today, making sure the israelis respect the UN charter they promised they would honor when they signed the document, and containing them in the land they agreed to stay in when the country was started. They wont do it themselves so they need to be contained militarily for the good of the planet. This war with Iran is another front on their war, and no one else wanted it or gains from it.
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Remove the last two words and that’s Israel.
IDF’s claims that Hamas committed mass rape and/or used rape as a weapon on October 7th have never been substantiated. Unlike the IDF themselves.
that’s still the IDF.
You’re comparing a few primitive rockets with no guidance systems a week to a systematic genocide deliberately targeting civilians including children and somehow arriving at the former being worse.
Nope, “the jews” aren’t “the grand evil”.
The state of Israel, on the other hand, is a fascist apartheid state that has been inherently and enthusiastically genocidal for 80 years and categorically denies all responsibility for its countless atrocities
“Those who make peaceful resistance impossible will make violent resistance inevitable.”
– JFK, edited to fit
No. Geopolitical mafia methods from the US, Germany, the UK, and other allies of the fascist apartheid regime is why most governments don’t dare point out the absurdly obvious.
They have several, but all of the good ones require that Israel recognize that Palestinians are humans and act accordingly, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
That’s literally the job of any political art.
When Picasso painted Guernica, nobody asked him to propose terms for a cease fire. Because that would be ridiculous.
Yeah, having some of the most powerful people in the world doing their best to take away your livelihood because you object to genocide is SUCH an easy mode grift! 🙄
Again with the antisemitic conflating of “Israeli war criminals and other Zionists, most of which are Evangelical Christians” and “all jews” 🙄
Fixed it for you.
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Yeah, that’s why evangelical Christians are so gung ho for the Apartheid state:
the biblical prophecies they take literally require all Jewish people to be in the area at the time of Armageddon so that most of them can be converted to Christianity and the rest can be slaughtered.
They murdered concert goers too. There were hundreds of vehicles in the area of the music festival that had the roofs smashed downward by explosives from above. Hamas had no capabilities to inflict that kind of damage on those vehicles. It was reported by IDF officers that the Hannibal Directive was used to justify “shooting anything that moves” in the area that included the festival, and 14 attack helicopters fired all their munitions and resupplied and continued shooting at vehicles on that day. There were also attack drones used for similar strikes on vehicles in the area with missiles. There are also the reports of IDF tanks being order to shoot at homes in the area that contained captives. The IDF are likely responsible for many of the deaths of Israelis and festival goers.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/israel-war-gaza-what-hannibal-directive-why-controversial
https://www.rfi.fr/en/middle-east/20231105-a-month-of-israel-hamas-war-has-changed-everything
This link shows a photo of many vehicles with roofs mashed downward, and attributes the damage to Hamas attacks, which really makes no sense at all.
It’s probably the side that’s been trying to empty Palestine for 80 fucking years. The whole state of Israel was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to make room for themselves.
But no, let’s not talk about the slow rolling genocide ongoing since the end of WWII, we have to look at one little event in the last decade and pretend it’s the start of the problem.
Fuck Israel and anyone who supports them. Especially through this mealy mouthed ‘both sides are at fault’ horse shit.
What are you even talking about?
The side that wants the genocide is the one committing the genocide
Simple as that
Basically both are committing it at this point. Just Israel has more firepower through USA. Things would look worse if it was the other way around. See oct 7 to get a glimpse of that reality. Or Afghanistan to taste unchecked islamism hamas wants to implement.
Go and educate yourself please Look at some numbers And this didn’t start on October 7th. Long before that
The Arab League put a peace offer on the table, under which Israel would withdraw to 1967 borders, and Hamas would recognize its existence.
Israel never addressed it. The answer is Israel. Israel wants genocide.
idk about history that far back. there are internationally accepted borders which are not honored by israel. thats bad.
Oct 7 was a tipping point though.
Yes, we just found out that Netanyahu probably knowingly let it happen, seemingly to stay out of prison, and kick the long, slow genocide into a higher gear. Israel never wanted peace, that’s why Netanyahu helped create and fund Hamas. It wants the land, without the people of Palestine living there.
Shema Yisrael, most of the “Local Jews” I know, think it’s very clear Israel has gone way beyond what’s reasonable or justifiable and are sick of being tarred with blood libel by people using their names to defend the Israeli genocide. They’re also sick of being ghettoized by loud, wealthy zionists who are acting as anti-semitic against the diaspora as some of the the actual anti-semites.
Hamas isnt eradicated. You’d just see the same shit happen every 3 years. Of course israel went beyond whats morally acceptable but thats what ed sheeran agrees on. Both sides.
And you just added another hundred years to how many times it will happen every 3 years. You cannot kill your way out of this. You will only make more threats.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/20/un-evidence-sexual-violence-hamas/
“The (UN) inquiry commission said Israeli authorities had not allowed its team to access victims, witnesses, the sites of the attack, or evidence related to rape, sexual torture or sexual mutilation.”
“The commission said it had “not been able to reach a definitive conclusion” as to whether rape, gang rape, sexual torture or genital mutilation occurred because it hadn’t been able to talk to survivors or witnesses or access the places where the attacks took place. The report added that Israeli authorities had actively “obstruct[ed] the Commission’s access to information related to sexual violence” by not responding to requests for information or calls for testimonies, or by banning medical doctors from talking to the commission because they cited distrust about the commission’s intentions towards Israel.”
Tldr no evidence of any rape, Israel actively blocked UN attempts to gather evidence of it and at least two rape claims have been completely debunked.
Only Israeli claims of rape exist.
Wasnt UN actually involved in financing this shit? UNRWA.
Plausible to not trust them any inch.
Israel has funded and supported Hamas too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
Disgusting fucking comment.
u/Waterpumpee: this is a well worn path for what used to be western civilization, and enshrined in the UN charter than Israel and the US both signed. Using violence for self defense has to satisfy 3 ideas for it to be legitimate. (1) You have to have honestly exhausted peaceful means. (2) It has to be due to a real threat rather than an imagined one, and (3) it has to be proportional.
Palestinians have a legitimate right to self defense and Israelis just dont have a leg to stand on in terms of a justification for using force. they really never have since the first 5 minutes of Israels existence when they launched the Nakba displacing 100s of thousands and murdering like crazy. Israelis are terrorists. Its really that simple, and the logic of it really cant be disproven.
The western world should be boots on the ground there, today, making sure the israelis respect the UN charter they promised they would honor when they signed the document, and containing them in the land they agreed to stay in when the country was started. They wont do it themselves so they need to be contained militarily for the good of the planet. This war with Iran is another front on their war, and no one else wanted it or gains from it.
Bruh. It’s not too late to delete this comment… and your Lemmy account.
Loud minority on this topic is just that. Loud.
You’re not that loud.