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If you buy a book from GoT, you own the physical pieces of paper the book is printed on, not the words. The reason it costs more than blank pages, is the words printed on there. But you don’t “own” the words. Just the pages that have the word printed on.
If you buy an electronic copy, you don’t “own” anything except the rights to have a copy of that.
Same for games.
You don’t “own” the game, you own the physical media the game is on. If there’s no physical media, then there’s nothing you own.
The reason it’s the same for games and books, is why it’s the same for TV, music, and every other form of media.
The counterargument to that is pretty straightforward…
Books, and other physical media have no inherent time limit on the use. So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids. I do not own the copywrited material, but I do own the physical copy.
So the reasonable expectation of ownership of the copy when the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” is used , is it’s a permanent purchase of the copy. We have a clear terms for time limited purchases, it’s called “Rent” or “Borrow”.
Therefore the retailers using the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” deliberately decieved the customers for the terms of the purchase aka fraud.
I have cheap paperbacks from the 1960’s and 70’s I bought at a second hand bookstore in the 90’s on my shelf.
They are fragile and yellow but still sticking together on my shelves and for when I want to reread them. It helps that I live in a region with low humidity.
Hell I gave a few books I inherited from my great-grandmother from 1910-1920. They were on decent paper but not the best quality.
Most of my cookbooks are 40-50 years old now and they are pretty beat up but still in reasonable condition.
But obviously that’s not every book. The more it’s read and the thicker it is the faster the spine falls apart. Obviously a hardback threaded together with heavy paper is better than pulp and cheap glue. But there’s a lot in between the extremes.
I could buy a cheap paperback, throw it on a shelf, and it will look perfect.
That doesn’t mean the glue didn’t magically degrade and it will hold together thru a normal reading tho
The point is that the publisher isn’t going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time. It’s a durable good, and whether the materials last one year or five hundred years is irrelevant to the fact that you (and all subsequent owners) have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of the book for as long as it lasts.
When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts. That means no “always-online” requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory, no chance of access to the software being remotely revoked, and no restrictions on gifting or reselling the copy.
The point is that the publisher isn’t going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time
But for kindle if you don’t have a local copy and if it’s removed from the store it’s gone…
When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts.
Right…
And if you don’t have a local copy of the install file, “as long as it lasts” is as long as you can download it…
That means no “always-online” requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory
Then only buy peer to peer games.
Anything that has corporate servers, will eventually be turned.
I fully support you and everyone else doing that, it’s the only way peer to peer servers will get better. But I honestly thought everyone understood this, it’s incredibly basic but obviously a lot of people had zero idea what they were actually spending money on.
Most importantly:
When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software
You’re not buying a copy of the software, you’re being a license to use the software.
It’s different and you not understanding the difference is why it’s so upset and you don’t know what to ask for to fix it.
The reason it’s the same for games and books, is why it’s the same for TV, music, and every other form of media.
every other form of media where the license to use is terrible. The fact you need a digital store to download the data that “doesn’t fit” on a disc is already crossing that line imo, but also. I am totally fine with them a digital download to be honest, but I am not going to accept them turning the ecosystem into a monopoly. No disk no buy for me. At least on pc there are multiple vendors. They will lose me as a user if they will only sell digital licenses from their own store. We’re finally getting rid that shit on mobile, no way I’m going along with it.
Exactly why only one person owns the Game of Thrones books and another guy owns the Game of Thrones series. What a loser argument this guy has.
That’s the exact argument…
If you buy a book from GoT, you own the physical pieces of paper the book is printed on, not the words. The reason it costs more than blank pages, is the words printed on there. But you don’t “own” the words. Just the pages that have the word printed on.
If you buy an electronic copy, you don’t “own” anything except the rights to have a copy of that.
Same for games.
You don’t “own” the game, you own the physical media the game is on. If there’s no physical media, then there’s nothing you own.
The reason it’s the same for games and books, is why it’s the same for TV, music, and every other form of media.
The counterargument to that is pretty straightforward…
Books, and other physical media have no inherent time limit on the use. So when I buy a book, I expect to be able to have it for the rest of my life, the life of my kids, maybe even grandkids. I do not own the copywrited material, but I do own the physical copy.
So the reasonable expectation of ownership of the copy when the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” is used , is it’s a permanent purchase of the copy. We have a clear terms for time limited purchases, it’s called “Rent” or “Borrow”.
Therefore the retailers using the terms “Buy” or “Purchase” deliberately decieved the customers for the terms of the purchase aka fraud.
What?!
Maybe if your buying archival quality hardbacks and never taking them off the shelf…
Thinking every book will last 40-90 years is not reasonable.
But to be honest, most takes I’ve seen about this hasn’t been reasonable
I have cheap paperbacks from the 1960’s and 70’s I bought at a second hand bookstore in the 90’s on my shelf.
They are fragile and yellow but still sticking together on my shelves and for when I want to reread them. It helps that I live in a region with low humidity.
Hell I gave a few books I inherited from my great-grandmother from 1910-1920. They were on decent paper but not the best quality.
Most of my cookbooks are 40-50 years old now and they are pretty beat up but still in reasonable condition.
I searched to check…
Paperbacks average 10-20, hardbacks 40-60.
But obviously that’s not every book. The more it’s read and the thicker it is the faster the spine falls apart. Obviously a hardback threaded together with heavy paper is better than pulp and cheap glue. But there’s a lot in between the extremes.
I could buy a cheap paperback, throw it on a shelf, and it will look perfect.
That doesn’t mean the glue didn’t magically degrade and it will hold together thru a normal reading tho
The point is that the publisher isn’t going to revoke your access to the physical book at any time. It’s a durable good, and whether the materials last one year or five hundred years is irrelevant to the fact that you (and all subsequent owners) have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of the book for as long as it lasts.
When you PURCHASE/BUY/OWN a copy of software, it is reasonable to believe that you have the legal right to the unimpeded use and enjoyment of that copy for as long as it lasts. That means no “always-online” requirements that make ongoing communication with the publisher mandatory, no chance of access to the software being remotely revoked, and no restrictions on gifting or reselling the copy.
But for kindle if you don’t have a local copy and if it’s removed from the store it’s gone…
Right…
And if you don’t have a local copy of the install file, “as long as it lasts” is as long as you can download it…
Then only buy peer to peer games.
Anything that has corporate servers, will eventually be turned.
I fully support you and everyone else doing that, it’s the only way peer to peer servers will get better. But I honestly thought everyone understood this, it’s incredibly basic but obviously a lot of people had zero idea what they were actually spending money on.
Most importantly:
You’re not buying a copy of the software, you’re being a license to use the software.
It’s different and you not understanding the difference is why it’s so upset and you don’t know what to ask for to fix it.
You buy the content first and foremost. The disk is just what it’s on, you own the physical disk and the content.
If I buy a game on gog, does nobody own it? Does it even exist? This is such a stupid point to try and make.
We don’t own games not because they are digital, but because of malware embedded in it. Not sure what you are trying to defend here.
every other form of media where the license to use is terrible. The fact you need a digital store to download the data that “doesn’t fit” on a disc is already crossing that line imo, but also. I am totally fine with them a digital download to be honest, but I am not going to accept them turning the ecosystem into a monopoly. No disk no buy for me. At least on pc there are multiple vendors. They will lose me as a user if they will only sell digital licenses from their own store. We’re finally getting rid that shit on mobile, no way I’m going along with it.
Great, no one is making you buy them…
And if enough don’t, they’ll stop doing it.
Zero idea why you felt the need to tell me you don’t like it, obviously no consumer likes this.
God forbid someone try to talk about something in a forum, right?
That’s like saying:
No one’s disagreeing, it’s an incredibly common opinion, especially here. And it’s not really relevant to what I was saying.
So what was the point?
Say something everyone agrees with and get clapped on the back?
Have fun man, I won’t call you out anymore, because I won’t see any of your comments anymore. You can do whatever