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I did not think people like you actually existed, but here we are…
When Nikki says she’s writing a love story, Bear replies, “What? A romance novel?” She says, explicitly, that there is a distinct difference. The director is saying to Bear–to people like YOU–that Bear does not understand what love is. He assumes that love and romance are the same thing, and that’s kinda the point. He thinks he loves Nikki, but he doesn’t.
The watching him sleep angle is insane, too. She is watching him sleep because Wish Nikki does not like her dreams. It’s heavily implied that Nikki has some limited control over Wish Nikki throughout the fucking film, and this is another one of those cases. She doesn’t like her dreams because the real Nikki has more control there.
When Bear dies at the end of the movie, why the fuck does Nikki immediately shove Bear’s body onto the fucking floor once she’s free and begin sobbing? Not really a thing you do to people you are supposed to see as a hero. I would argue that she understands that Bear was a fucking monster who raped her, which is also not a heroic thing to do, but maybe I just understand the movie better than you do. Just kidding, the director who made the fucking movie has pointed out repeatedly that Bear is the villain in interviews. So have the fucking actors.
So, maybe you think you know the movie better than the director and actors, but I would argue that part of what makes Bear such a compelling villain is that a lot of men see some portion of themselves in Bear, and the more you see of yourself in Bear, the harder it is to rationalize that he is the villain. He doesn’t start off as a monster. His wish isn’t intended to harm Nikki at the beginning. But, his complicity in harming Nikki throughout the film makes him the villain. The fact that he rapes her and he does not show any sort of remorse for that is just… So fucking obvious that he is the villain that it should really make you think about your own capacity for remorse.
I did not think people like you actually existed, but here we are…
This is all you have, isn’t it? You aren’t addressing any of my actual points. In fact, you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding them or ignoring them, and even putting words in my mouth, and then just insulting me. Very productive.
The watching him sleep angle is insane, too. She is watching him sleep because Wish Nikki does not like her dreams. It’s heavily implied that Nikki has some limited control over Wish Nikki throughout the fucking film, and this is another one of those cases. She doesn’t like her dreams because the real Nikki has more control there.
Fake Nikki is watching Bear sleep because she is OBSESSED with him. In a movie called “Obsession”. It is not just implied, but ESTABLISHED that the real Nikki can exert some control whenever the fake Nikki is asleep. But that is not established until AFTER the scene where she watches him sleep. I’m not sure why you are bringing this up anyways, or what point I made earlier that you are addressing with this.
When Bear dies at the end of the movie, why the fuck does Nikki immediately shove Bear’s body onto the fucking floor once she’s free and begin sobbing?
Because it’s a BLOOD SOAKED DEAD BODY. If she loved him, we might expect her to cling to his corpse. But the real Nikki did not ever love him, so her reaction is very natural. This is quite plainly highlighted by how the fake Nikki is embracing him as he loses consciousness and starts to foam at the mouth, and is starting to be concerned until he dies. That’s when fake Nikki ceases to exist and real Nikki is finally left to deal with the bloody aftermath.
Not really a thing you do to people you are supposed to see as a hero. I would argue that she understands that Bear was a fucking monster who raped her, which is also not a heroic thing to do, but maybe I just understand the movie better than you do.
I never once called Bear a “hero”, just to clarify. If you think protagonist = hero you need to go back to middle school literature class.
Just kidding, the director who made the fucking movie has pointed out repeatedly that Bear is the villain in interviews. So have the fucking actors.
Give me a link to the quote. I have looked around and cannot find anything remotely like this. In fact, I could find this quote from Michael Johnston, the actor who played Bear:
I never thought of Bear as a villain, but what really drew me to this story was the gray morals of it all. I love that it’s not black-and-white. I love that it doesn’t tell you how you should feel. It’s really up for interpretation, because the truth is, Bear has good in him and he has bad in him, like all of us. I do think that he leans more toward the bad in a lot of ways. But it was really important to keep the audience rooting for him in some ways. So when I played him, I just had to stay completely focused on what he wanted more than anything else, and try not to judge any of his decisions. But I would say he definitely starts as the protagonist, and I would tend to agree that I can see him becoming a bit of an antagonist. I love that. Fully, the antagonist, though? I don’t think I would say fully, because the key thing is he didn’t know that the wish was going to work. Sure, his desires were incredibly selfish. Totally, 100 percent, but he didn’t know the wish was gonna work. And then he dug himself into such a deep hole that he didn’t really see any chance of getting out, so he just kept digging himself deeper. But I love it. I love the discourse, it’s amazing. It’s so much more interesting.
So you are really just making shit up because you REALLY, REALLY want this movie to be about gender wars. I am not saying that incels or the manosphere are not problems. I am not saying that horror movies using those themes to express how terrible those communities cannot or should not exist. What I AM saying, is that this movie is not doing that. And the actor who plays the lead is on record in agreement with me.
He did not know he was raping Nikki because there were two Nikki’s sharing the same body, and the one actively controlling the body consented.
Consenting while being incapable of consenting is still rape. If you have sex with someone that is drunk/high/intoxicated, and they say yes while under an influence, that is not consent. Having sex requires continual and ongoing consent, or else it is absolutely rape. In this case, Bear knows the wish has influenced her.
The date scene is only the 2nd moment she shows of any odd behavior, and that behavior is still relatively mild and within the realm of normal humans being human. The horror lies in the dramatic irony that we, the audience, know that is not the real Nikki while Bear does not.
Bear definitely knows the wish worked at this point. But, let’s pretend he didn’t: She is acting weird, beyond what would be considered normal, and he absolutely is exploiting her weird behavior to have sex with her. That is still not consent.
To repeat - the horror lies in the dramatic irony that we, the audience, know that is not the real Nikki while Bear does not.
Goddamn, you’d look like a real fucking moron if the director flat out stated that Bear definitely knew that Nikki was acting weird as a result of his wish.
Oh look! I found this quote from the director on the floor, it also says here that you’re a dumbass?
When he asks her do you love me more than anyone in the world, that’s very obviously the exact verbiage of what he said, ‘I wish she loved me more than anyone in the world.’ So that was the confirmation that he needed that this is 100% the result of the wish. And I think he’s in denial. I don’t think he wants to believe that that’s the truth. I think it’s a lot easier for him to just believe that she really does like him, but clearly this is not making sense, for her to just all of a sudden be obsessed with him like this.
So, like, he even knows he’s raping her. He can be in denial, but being in denial requires you to know the truth and pretend it’s not true. Bear is a rapist, and he knows it. And he does not show remorse for it. Btw, took me two seconds to google that.
But, the pièce de résistance is that when she says to kill her, he just asks if being with him is so bad. That’s fucked up villainous shit. That leaves no room for him to be anything else. He’s the villain.
I did not think people like you actually existed, but here we are…
When Nikki says she’s writing a love story, Bear replies, “What? A romance novel?” She says, explicitly, that there is a distinct difference. The director is saying to Bear–to people like YOU–that Bear does not understand what love is. He assumes that love and romance are the same thing, and that’s kinda the point. He thinks he loves Nikki, but he doesn’t.
The watching him sleep angle is insane, too. She is watching him sleep because Wish Nikki does not like her dreams. It’s heavily implied that Nikki has some limited control over Wish Nikki throughout the fucking film, and this is another one of those cases. She doesn’t like her dreams because the real Nikki has more control there.
When Bear dies at the end of the movie, why the fuck does Nikki immediately shove Bear’s body onto the fucking floor once she’s free and begin sobbing? Not really a thing you do to people you are supposed to see as a hero. I would argue that she understands that Bear was a fucking monster who raped her, which is also not a heroic thing to do, but maybe I just understand the movie better than you do. Just kidding, the director who made the fucking movie has pointed out repeatedly that Bear is the villain in interviews. So have the fucking actors.
So, maybe you think you know the movie better than the director and actors, but I would argue that part of what makes Bear such a compelling villain is that a lot of men see some portion of themselves in Bear, and the more you see of yourself in Bear, the harder it is to rationalize that he is the villain. He doesn’t start off as a monster. His wish isn’t intended to harm Nikki at the beginning. But, his complicity in harming Nikki throughout the film makes him the villain. The fact that he rapes her and he does not show any sort of remorse for that is just… So fucking obvious that he is the villain that it should really make you think about your own capacity for remorse.
This is all you have, isn’t it? You aren’t addressing any of my actual points. In fact, you seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding them or ignoring them, and even putting words in my mouth, and then just insulting me. Very productive.
Fake Nikki is watching Bear sleep because she is OBSESSED with him. In a movie called “Obsession”. It is not just implied, but ESTABLISHED that the real Nikki can exert some control whenever the fake Nikki is asleep. But that is not established until AFTER the scene where she watches him sleep. I’m not sure why you are bringing this up anyways, or what point I made earlier that you are addressing with this.
Because it’s a BLOOD SOAKED DEAD BODY. If she loved him, we might expect her to cling to his corpse. But the real Nikki did not ever love him, so her reaction is very natural. This is quite plainly highlighted by how the fake Nikki is embracing him as he loses consciousness and starts to foam at the mouth, and is starting to be concerned until he dies. That’s when fake Nikki ceases to exist and real Nikki is finally left to deal with the bloody aftermath.
I never once called Bear a “hero”, just to clarify. If you think protagonist = hero you need to go back to middle school literature class.
Give me a link to the quote. I have looked around and cannot find anything remotely like this. In fact, I could find this quote from Michael Johnston, the actor who played Bear:
So you are really just making shit up because you REALLY, REALLY want this movie to be about gender wars. I am not saying that incels or the manosphere are not problems. I am not saying that horror movies using those themes to express how terrible those communities cannot or should not exist. What I AM saying, is that this movie is not doing that. And the actor who plays the lead is on record in agreement with me.
Consenting while being incapable of consenting is still rape. If you have sex with someone that is drunk/high/intoxicated, and they say yes while under an influence, that is not consent. Having sex requires continual and ongoing consent, or else it is absolutely rape. In this case, Bear knows the wish has influenced her.
Bear definitely knows the wish worked at this point. But, let’s pretend he didn’t: She is acting weird, beyond what would be considered normal, and he absolutely is exploiting her weird behavior to have sex with her. That is still not consent.
Goddamn, you’d look like a real fucking moron if the director flat out stated that Bear definitely knew that Nikki was acting weird as a result of his wish.
Oh look! I found this quote from the director on the floor, it also says here that you’re a dumbass?
So, like, he even knows he’s raping her. He can be in denial, but being in denial requires you to know the truth and pretend it’s not true. Bear is a rapist, and he knows it. And he does not show remorse for it. Btw, took me two seconds to google that.
But, the pièce de résistance is that when she says to kill her, he just asks if being with him is so bad. That’s fucked up villainous shit. That leaves no room for him to be anything else. He’s the villain.