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Bait cars are worth money, and for legal purposes are actual cars…
If you steal a bait car, you still steal car.
This guy didn’t damage anything containing electronics, and it costs a few dollars knocking out all the other felonies.
Charges should be filed on the cops for all this, because they reasonably should have known the entire thing was at minimal a wanton waste of resources.
That doesn’t really seem solid to me. It could be they’re real cars so they can be started/take off, demonstrating the intent. It’s seems like way more effort to make a fake prop car because you still have to get it to the trap area and pass it off right? I doubt much of the charge for car theft has to do with value. For grand theft auto you need to prove they intended to actually steal the car otherwise it’s just joyriding.
At the very least it’d seem like they’d still be up for vandalism/destruction of property, assuming there aren’t more serious charges for damaging security/surveillance equipment.
Well, that’s because you don’t seem to know what a bait car is…
The modification is usually just that the car shuts off in less than a minute. Some will disable seatbelt releases or lock the doors so you can’t get out.
But the thing that makes it a bait car, is there’s no risk of high speed pursuit. It is still a car.
For grand theft auto you need to prove they intended to actually steal the car otherwise it’s just joyriding.
What the fuck is that even?
You think if someone steals a car, the charges are reduced if they say it’s for funsies?
At the very least it’d seem like they’d still be up for vandalism/destruction of property,
Again, you have no idea what I’m talking about, what the article is talking about, or how criminal charges work…
In general the value of the object determines misdemeanor/felony. Which I’m assuming you might not know, is a huge difference.
If charged on the actual value, no DA would charge. So they want to charge on the perceived value, which is still under the felony limit.
At the very least it’d seem like
Crimes under the felony threshold should be charged as misdemeanor equivalents…
Not sure what in my comment is deserving of the hostility but anyway. Nor given the way my comment is phrased, do I think I’m trying to pass myself off as an expert. Just very doubtful of the implication that this guy is going to walk out without a charge.
The modification is usually just that the car shuts off in less than a minute
Which as I suggested, allows for the intent to be demonstrated. My point was a fake car would be pointless, so the point of “it’s still a real car” falls flat. (Edit: also joyriding is still a crime. Hardly funsies)
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Elements of Grand Theft Auto
Generally, a prosecutor charging grand theft auto will need to show that the defendant drove or otherwise took possession of a motor vehicle owned by someone else. The defendant must not have had the permission of the owner. In addition, a prosecutor must prove that the defendant intended to deprive the owner of the vehicle.
In general the value of the object determines misdemeanor/felony. Which I’m assuming you might not know, is a huge difference.
Which I agree means he’s not likely to get a full felony charge, but since he broke rule 1 of interacting with the police and admitted to thinking they had value in a statement (allegedly). He could still be facing at least attempted criminal mischief for vandalism (I think). Which isn’t as bad but still potentially a felony.
“When asked how much he believes the camera costs to replace, he stated approximately $1,000-$5,000 proving that Meyer knew it was an expensive real piece of equipment and not a fake replica,” the police report states.
Though the police wording is borderline nonsensical.
Crimes under the felony threshold should be charged as misdemeanor equivalents…
Cops never do that, for reasons you alluded to in your top comment, to deter others from doing it and hoping something sticks. My main point was claiming the had he’s unlikely to be charged is a bit of a stretch.
Bait cars are worth money, and for legal purposes are actual cars…
If you steal a bait car, you still steal car.
This guy didn’t damage anything containing electronics, and it costs a few dollars knocking out all the other felonies.
Charges should be filed on the cops for all this, because they reasonably should have known the entire thing was at minimal a wanton waste of resources.
That doesn’t really seem solid to me. It could be they’re real cars so they can be started/take off, demonstrating the intent. It’s seems like way more effort to make a fake prop car because you still have to get it to the trap area and pass it off right? I doubt much of the charge for car theft has to do with value. For grand theft auto you need to prove they intended to actually steal the car otherwise it’s just joyriding.
At the very least it’d seem like they’d still be up for vandalism/destruction of property, assuming there aren’t more serious charges for damaging security/surveillance equipment.
Well, that’s because you don’t seem to know what a bait car is…
The modification is usually just that the car shuts off in less than a minute. Some will disable seatbelt releases or lock the doors so you can’t get out.
But the thing that makes it a bait car, is there’s no risk of high speed pursuit. It is still a car.
What the fuck is that even?
You think if someone steals a car, the charges are reduced if they say it’s for funsies?
Again, you have no idea what I’m talking about, what the article is talking about, or how criminal charges work…
In general the value of the object determines misdemeanor/felony. Which I’m assuming you might not know, is a huge difference.
If charged on the actual value, no DA would charge. So they want to charge on the perceived value, which is still under the felony limit.
Crimes under the felony threshold should be charged as misdemeanor equivalents…
Not sure what in my comment is deserving of the hostility but anyway. Nor given the way my comment is phrased, do I think I’m trying to pass myself off as an expert. Just very doubtful of the implication that this guy is going to walk out without a charge.
Which as I suggested, allows for the intent to be demonstrated. My point was a fake car would be pointless, so the point of “it’s still a real car” falls flat. (Edit: also joyriding is still a crime. Hardly funsies)
Tap for spoiler
Elements of Grand Theft Auto
Generally, a prosecutor charging grand theft auto will need to show that the defendant drove or otherwise took possession of a motor vehicle owned by someone else. The defendant must not have had the permission of the owner. In addition, a prosecutor must prove that the defendant intended to deprive the owner of the vehicle.
https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/theft-crimes/auto-theft/
Which I agree means he’s not likely to get a full felony charge, but since he broke rule 1 of interacting with the police and admitted to thinking they had value in a statement (allegedly). He could still be facing at least attempted criminal mischief for vandalism (I think). Which isn’t as bad but still potentially a felony.
Though the police wording is borderline nonsensical.
Cops never do that, for reasons you alluded to in your top comment, to deter others from doing it and hoping something sticks. My main point was claiming the had he’s unlikely to be charged is a bit of a stretch.