• dismay3915@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Because:

    1. You pay for windows (“supposed to pay” atleast)
    2. You cant be mad at a community effort. Don’t like it? Fork it or help fix it.
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      3 days ago

      Indeed, last time I paid for windows was like windows 7. Only free upgrades since then.

      But fixing a bug is not as simple as “fork it or help fix it”, those are by far the most complicated options that only a tiny faction of users (can) take.

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        2 days ago

        “help fix it” can be opening a good issue with instructions on how to recreate and details, it can be testing new features and fixes, or even paying someone some money to fix it for you and contribute to upstream. (Gitcoin, upwork etc.)

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          1 day ago

          How to recreate it? There are SO many variables. I am not going to set up a new system just too see if I can replicate some bug… unless it is a really big issue with something very important, at which point someone already did that.

  • Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    Definitely true when learning Linux, but to be fair, things do break on their own. Example: just yesterday I updated fedora and it broke my network connections for my vms. I certainly didn’t do that, and it seems to be a repeating issue.

    But you wanna know what the difference is?

    1. A 30 second web search identified the problem and a quick edit of the network.conf text file fixed the issue.
    2. even if I couldn’t fix it, I could very easily roll the updates back
    3. this issue will get fixed for good and won’t still be lingering around for 10 years

    Compare that to me updating win11 on a faster more capable computer a couple weeks ago:

    1. It broke like a bazillion things, well documented on the internet, no solutions other than “we’ll maybe fix that someday”
    2. the computer rebooted THREE times! 3! I’ve seen two-three was a new one
    3. it took 40 minutes on a 32 core threadripper, 64gb ram, plenty of free hard drive space, and a 4090 card. No, it wasn’t years of updates, and it wasn’t a major version update. It was maybe 1.5 months since last update.

    Linux is great, not perfect, but great with great communities.

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      2 days ago

      honestly wth is windows update even doing? takes my thinkpad from 2020 about 30 min to recompile my ENTIRE nixos setup from scratch. FROM SCRATCH, freshly formatted drive, 30 minites later an entirely functional DE with all apps i need installed.

      How does windows manage to take longer, on better hardware, with something that should by all account be an easier cpu task? im baffled

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        2 days ago

        100% agree. The windows fanbois always come out in force and defend Microsoft, they act like the abused in bad marriages defending their dirtbag husband who beats them /shrug

        It’s not a problem with my computer. I didn’t do anything “wrong”. I clean installed win 11 on its own hard drive because 1) I own a retail copy and 2) my daughter is taking the lsat test and it requires windows or macOS. The install took hours. And the part that slowed it down was the update process. Ok no big deal, it’s a new install, i mean fedora fresh installs in like 15 minutes (and most of that is me clicking buttons), but whatever. So that’s it, it’s just a clean install of win11. Every month or so, I boot it up and hit the update button. It’s painful, every time. Yes I get it’s designed to slow roll in the background but come on - if I open up settings -> windows update and hit the update now button - then get to work already. It’s always a 20+ minute process. This last one was exceptionally long, but you get my point.

        And these updates are always terrible, stuff breaks right away. After the last update the lock screen was all Asian characters. The rest of the OS was fine, just the lock screen changed. Dafuq? The recycle bin contents were all like hash file names. A year or two ago an update on my wife’s laptop wouldn’t proceed because the recovery partition that win11 itself created during install was too small. All other further updates wouldn’t go either because that one was stuck. Like grandma is going to resize partitions - granny’s computer is heading towards bot ville.

        Anyways ya, windows sucks big hairy donkey balls now. 50% of that suckage comes from windows update. The other 50% comes from them shoving poo in your face every chance it gets.