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No you are not part of that fucking community.

The community in question I’m talking about is the alt right and regresive centrists. They draw the line at bisexuality and anything past that is identity politics and make believe.

This is exactly why I say bisexuals have risk. There are entire communities that function the premise bisexuality means attracted to both men and women emphasis on the both because they think that’s where it ends.

That’s why I say it’s harder to find a transphobic pansexual person because in order to be pamsexual you need to be progressive enough to believe pansexuals exist in the first place.

So are you disagreeing that a bisexual person could exclude trans people?

I didn’t say that was the difference though? I specifically stated that bisexuals are attracted to more than one gender and pansexuals are attracted to all. All pansexuals are bisexuals not all bisexuals are pan.

You sure abandoned straight people fast.

I also disagree for the fact that bisexuality is wide encompassing and normalized. It’s a term you don’t need to understand that there are more than two genders to use.

You see in this very thread plenty of misunderstandings as to the definition to the extent that one person said they thought it meant attraction to both men and women. That one seems to be the most popular I’ve seen which is an issue because of how cis normative it is.

The actual bisexual definition is inclusive and I’m not calling bisexuals evil. I’m saying because of that inclusivity it also includes more problematic people. Different communities have different definitions of bisexual and it just so happens liking both men and women perfectly fits the actual definition of bisexual just as much as say a more conservative and narrow viewed of it.

You don’t have to believe me but I’ve seen that community and I’ve been on the internet long enough to know not to assume just because we’re both queer that the other person is an ally.

Except nowhere did I say either are inherently transphobic. I was pointing out that you’re more likely to run into a transphobic person of either of those groups because it’s such a wide encompassing umbrella.

To me it’s no different from saying you’re more likely to run into someone who is homophobic who is straight than someone who is homophobic and bisexual.

As for the racist thing I would say it’s a nonsense thing to say because it’s totally different. I’d say it’s fair that people of color should be wary of white people because because of systemic racism at large has stemmed from white supremacy. Are there people of color who are racist, absolutely, are people of color with internalized racism, absolutely. Should I be the one who should be talking about this, absolutely not nor am I comfortar with it but you brought us to race.

More than anything I’m sick of having to explain and re-explain that some communities and sexualities are more risky for trans people than others.

If they weren’t it wouldn’t be fucking normalized that trans people need to disclaim themselves being transgender with their partners for their own safety.

Okay I see two comments from you right now saying this, explain the difference to me.

Your mother is a lovely woman.

Someone needs to tattoo a pawprint on Patel’s forehead so the message comes out loud and clear.

Damn so that’s the problem, I voted Harris!

He can pass the montage down to the kids he adopts.

Straight with a 6 on the kinsey scale

hildegarde already said the reason why Pansexual exists. Bisexual is a broad category, a REALLY broad category to the extent if someone tells you bisexual you’ve really learned nothing about their attractions unless they tell you.

Ehich flows off the tongue better, all inclusive bisexual or pansexual?

“Honestly it seems like a generational divide between the two labels.”

Yup pretty much exactly it.

Pansexual means attracted to all genders, bi is more than one. All pansexuals are bisexuals, not all bisexuals are pansexuals.

This is like going to a restaurant where the menu is given in the form of haikus.

It’s not even just me is the thing, that’s how it is for a ton of minorities. We know the democrats are racist AF but there’s a big difference between subtle racism and historic revisionism of racism the US history + concentration camps.

Then there’s actual allies who realize we’re all in a fucked situation where we can’t afford to abandon portions of pur population

Please note this next bit isn’t directed at you its more continuing the thought of my original comment.

“Oh but if you would stop voting for the lesser evil.”

I’m sorry where is the not evil party? I don’t see independents up in the polls and the lesser evil party just lost to a felon sex offender who screams racist shit about people eating dogs. It is very clear people want to elect evil parties.

I’d have to agree with you there, I apologize, it’s English specific but god does English have some issues like that. To clarify I meant you have no idea of their intentions, so you can’t tell if they have ill or well intentioned thoughts towards you, so for your own sake it’s easier to assume they are not safe. That doesn’t mean they are dangerous but you can’t know for certain.

Edit: To be clear since it doesn’t seem like I’m getting my intentions across. Bisexual is a really fucking wide category full of people from different walks of life.

This means it pulls in a lot of right leaning people because there’s no word specific to being attracted to cis men and women.

There is nothing wrong with being bisexual but the issue is it has similar baggage as being straight which is that there are people within it thay do not believe transgender people are the gender they say they are.

I thought it really important to cover this with the rise of conservativism in the queer community. The reason why I say bisexuality isn’t a safe marker is you don’t need to understand there’s a spectrum or even that there’s more than two gender. Being pansexual does and that’s part of my own reason for identifying as such after stating myself to be bisexual for years.

In a world that wasn’t so transphobic I wouldn’t bring it up but that’s not the world we live in.

“Google would have been faster.”

You’re twisting my words, I said whether or not someone is safe, not that they’re unsafe.

If you can’t confirm that at first look then your only option is better safe than sorry and move on or get into what can very quickly turn into an unpleasant conversation.

There is nuance and what you assume people do is just your own personal experience.

My own experience is I’ve met many a cool bisexual in the right forums. I’ve also seen plenty a bisexual who hate the term pansexual and thinks it’s redundant because they don’t acknowledge the nuance. That isn’t the kind of person I want to be around. Sure talking helps but when you’re a pretty hated minority it’s not exactly an attractive proposition to get to know every bisexual.

To relate this back dating apps, if you’re bisexual and down with trans people, let us know on your bio! And if you’re someone who is attracted to all just take the dive and go pansexual! It’s more specific and let’s others know exactly who your interested in.

So many people talking about how they don’t care about who is elected next resounds of the remarkable privelage of someone who doesn’t need to care about the result. Like calling against “”" Blue MAGA"“” and “Vote Blue No Matter Who.”

I’m a trans person, who exactly are you asking me to vote for? Have you ever seen a republican politician. Describe to me which republican politician doesn’t want to take away the rights of trans people?

To you they may mean nothing, to me it’s everything and you CANNOT convince me by insulting me. The democrats wish to use people like me as a token, it’s degrading, digusting, and I hate them every step of the way. The republicans want me dead.

These two sides are different and if you wish for me to vote someone different get someone on stage who gives a shit about people like me and I’ll vote for them under any banner. Until then the future is looking pretty blue.